Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Dec 19, 2023.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    You're asking the guy who started a thread on Biden fucking up as president elect for telegraphing not going after Dump 3 yrs ago. And now we here.
     
    #171     Dec 23, 2023
  2. wildchild

    wildchild

    Wildchild nails it again.

    https://themessenger.com/opinion/do...t-ballot-disqualification-democratic-strategy

    The decision this week by the Colorado Supreme Court (by a 4-3 vote) to remove Donald Trump from the state’s ballot is a decided loss for democracy, arguably a worse loss for Democrats, and ultimately a win for Donald Trump — for several reasons.

    First and foremost, and most obviously, in the Republican primary, Trump’s argument has been that democracy has been undermined by the various investigations that he has faced and is currently facing. Now, before any of the major Trump cases — including the one related to his actions on Jan. 6, 2021, which was the reason Colorado ruled he was ineligible for the ballot — have concluded, he has been preemptively removed from one state’s ballot.

    This is unprecedented in American political life, and the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision was made even more egregious on Friday, when the U.S. Supreme Court decided to sidestep political questions related to Trump’s actions on Jan. 6 — which Colorado should have done. But more importantly, Colorado’s decision sends a message confirming the worldview of Donald Trump: that he has been subjected to an ongoing witch hunt.
     
    #172     Dec 23, 2023
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #173     Dec 23, 2023
  4. wildchild

    wildchild

    Big talk, little action.

    Please provide a comprehensive list of Jan 6ers who were convicted of insurrection or treason.
     
    #174     Dec 23, 2023
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #175     Dec 23, 2023
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Motion filed to remove Trump from Virginia ballots
    https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/motion-filed-to-remove-trump-from-virginia-ballots/

    A motion has been filed for an injunction to remove former President Donald Trump from presidential primary ballots in Virginia in 2024.

    The motion, which was filed on Monday, Dec. 18 in district court in Alexandria by Roy L. Perry-Bey of Hampton, alleges that Trump is “constitutionally ineligible under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment” to run for federal office “based on his engagement in insurrection against the United States” following the 2020 presidential election.

    Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol Building on Jan. 6, 2021, emboldened by Trump’s unproven claims that the recent election was marred with fraud. He is currently set to stand trial, facing numerous charges, as the U.S. Department of Justice works to prove that he was directly responsible for the violence that day.

    “Mr. Trump has declared his candidacy for president again in 2024,” reads the motion. “However, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Mr. Trump is constitutionally ineligible to appear on any future ballot for federal office based on his engagement in insurrection against the United States.”

    This motion comes as Colorado’s Supreme Court voted 4-3 to bar Trump from the state’s Republican primary in March — also citing Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The U.S. Supreme Court will ultimately decide whether to uphold the Colorado court’s decision.
     
    #176     Dec 23, 2023
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  7. kashirin

    kashirin

    Do you mean with all evidence of election interference and weaponising judical arm, and ukraine and china bribes why why not any one convicted current POTUS-imposter?
     
    #177     Dec 23, 2023
  8. My Google translate couldn't even decipher that logrrhea...
     
    #178     Dec 23, 2023
  9. kashirin

    kashirin

    it's so easy to indetify an imbecile
     
    #179     Dec 24, 2023
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    I agree with Raskin, however his perspective of what the Court is likely to do requires the 14th Amendment to be self-executing and that, in turn, requires well-intentioned people of good faith to follow what is clearly written in the Constitution, just as, for example, the self- executing Constitutional requirement that a Candidate for President by at least 35 years old requires. According to our Constitution, Trump is automatically disqualified because he took an oath and then engaged in an insurrection. Any dictionary will leave no question as to the meaning of "engaged in" and "insurrection"*; thus the only way for Trump to run for office without violating the Constitution is for Congress to permit him to run by a two thirds vote. But what happens when the Congress does not vote to permit a disqualified person to run for office, and the standard mechanisms by which a candidate gets placed on ballots proceed in ignorance of the Constitution in at least some of the States?

    If the U.S. Court refuses to step in and instead leaves the enforcement of the Constitution to individual States** --- an outcome at odds with historical precedent--- the electorate in some States may end up voting on a Constitutionally barred candidate. Therefore, the Court must step in! But they, nevertheless, may not. This is how democracy's can end. If the Court refuses to recognize the gravity of the situation the Country finds itself in, then the democracy may only be saved by bizarre circumstance should a disqualified candidate happen to be defeated at the polls.

    The problem with a self executing clauses in the Constitution is that no remedy is given for the Constitution being ignored. The Colorado Courts acted as they did because election operatives in the States were ignoring the clear, unambiguous disqualification of Trump, the candidate.

    Benjamin Franklin prepared a statement that was read for him at the 1787 at the Constitutional Convention. (He was old and not in good health) Franklin recognized the inevitable failure of the Constitution, even though he thought it should be adopted as something that could serve for a time as the basis of good government. Here is what he wrote:

    "There is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and I believe farther that this [the draft of the Constitution under consideration] is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other."
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    *The Both the Colorado Lower Court, in which a trial was held, and the Colorado Supreme Court, to which the outcome of the trial was appealed, applied the common dictionary definitions of "engaged in" and "insurrection". The Colorado Supreme Court decision makes note of this.

    **The Court has left many issues to be decided separately by individual States, but never has it left clear and unambiguous interpretation of the Constitution up to individual States.
     
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2023
    #180     Dec 24, 2023