Trump being admitted to Walter Reed Medical Center

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 2, 2020.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You can apply the question of risk to the agents in a number of circumstances.

    If Trump decides to go to a rally, that means the agents have an increased risk that someone will act against the President versus if he just stayed home, right? Does this mean he shouldn't go to rallies because of the increased risk to the agents? What about public events like RBG's funeral? Does he put the agents at risk by attending that?
     
    #181     Oct 6, 2020
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    WTF.

    Please show a link that is backed by an empirical study to support this preposterous claim.
     
    #182     Oct 6, 2020
  3. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I heard this argument often during the HIV crisis about wearing condoms. People arguing that "condoms alone" does not prevent HIV.
    • Therefore, don't wear a condom because it gives you a false sense of security...its not going to protect you and there's no supporting data that verifies condom use prevents HIV or prevents any other sexually transmitted diseases.
    It's simple...put the condom on just in case you're wrong and just in case a year from now the data starts showing up that proves wearing a condom is "helpful" in preventing sexually transmitted diseases. :D

    Covid-19 is new...they're still learning about it and within the next 1 - 2 years...there will be a flood of data about which face masks worked and which face masks performed poorly in protection against Covid-19.

    There will also be more independent data from university research labs beyond what's currently out there.

    Regardless, what's up with this "masks alone" bullshit. Wearing face masks doesn't imply you can abandon all other protections. It's like saying "brushing your teeth alone"...

    Brushing your teeth alone gives you a false sense of security. You gotta use the right toothbrush, properly brush your teeth, floss, use mouthwash and so on.

    Even better, don't sit back and wait for someone to prove something to you. Instead, be proactive and prove or disapprove it yourself.



    Remember I told you before in another reply for you to be proactive and do your own Petri Dish tests as my kid did himself for a science project (see 4:21 min mark of the below video). :D

    Simply, do not go around infecting others if/when you become positive for Covid-19. Even better, if you don't know you're infected...be socially responsible to those near you via wearing a face mask.



    wrbtrader
     
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    #183     Oct 6, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    This is what the 90% number is related to....


    Face coverings can reduce COVID-19 transmission risk: study
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-transmission.html

    Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent, research suggests.

    (More at above url)
     
    #184     Oct 6, 2020
  5. jem

    jem

    I clicked the link...

    no data... that I saw...
    where are the contact tracings showing tens of thousands of cases via aerosol transmission?

    lots of assumptions..
    I will do a bit of research after trading later.


    • Indoors >> outdoors 1, 2

    • Superspreading events (restaurant, choir, bus etc.)

    • Supersp. very similar to known aerosol diseases1

    • Very high R0 (~20) of superspreading 1

    • Poor ventilation helps transmission

    • Similar viruses transmitted via aerosols (SARS-CoV-1, influenza, MERS) 1

    • Virus stays infective in aerosols 1,2,3,4

    • Infectious virus detected 2-5 m from patients 1

    • Importance of close proximity (higher aerosol dose)

    • Consistency of close proximity & room 1

    • Importance of singing / shouting 1,2

    • Demonstrated w/ ferrets 1 & hamsters 2

    • Other pathogens most concentrated in fine aerosols 1

    • Aerosols from AGPs infective1, no reason why lower dose for longer time, no mask, would not infect as demonstrated for TB 2

    • Supermicron aerosols well filtered by well-fitted surgical masks 1

    • Source apportionment studies1,2





     
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    #185     Oct 6, 2020
  6. jem

    jem

    yeah.. as I suspected...
    nothing to do with Covid spread directly..
    really a bunch of inapplicable theory... bullshit with a headline.

    but we should note this... because this is consistent with OSHA warnings about why surgical masks can be ineffective... the link I gave you 2 days ago.

    "Surgical masks and the tested hand-made masks were found to limit the forward flow of expelled breath, but also generate far-reaching leakage jets to the side, behind, above and below. Heavy breathing and coughing, in particular, were shown to generate intense backward jets.

    Only masks that form a tight seal with the face were found to prevent the escape of virus-laden fluid particles, the team says."



     
    #186     Oct 6, 2020
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    LOL! and I realize you are not making this claim, just providing the supporting link to Usualname's ridiculous claim.

    So

    Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent

    somehow = wearing a mask prevents the spread of COVID by up to 90%

    despite

    However, some of the masks enabled strong jets of air to escape from the back and sides.

    and of course

    Only masks that form a tight seal with the face were found to prevent the escape of virus-laden fluid particles, the team says.
    Which, of course, no one really wears.
     
    #187     Oct 6, 2020
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    https://pws.byu.edu/covid-19-and-masks
     
    #188     Oct 6, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    What Trump is telegraphing his cult is this:.

    "It doesn't matter if you get ill, you should not pay attention to quarantine warnings (I didn't) and go on about your day, mask optional"
     
    #189     Oct 6, 2020
  10. You are aware, of course, that we are in the midst of a pandemic. That the president tested positive. And that he unnecessarily put his agents at risk to take a stupid joy ride. And you're defending the president?
     
    #190     Oct 6, 2020