Trump announces ban on transgender individuals serving in military

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Optionpro007, Jul 26, 2017.

  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Presidential elections aren't gerrymandered like House races are.Considering my party has gotten the most votes in 6 of the last 7 elections I think we will be back in the White House soon,Jan 2021 to be exact.
     
    #81     Jul 29, 2017

  2. Sure. Hillary lost twice so the general consensus among demotards is that we really, really owe her bigly next time around. What could go wrong there?

    Also, half of "your party" may very well be over with Bernie's Progressive Party. Oh, that's right they would never leave the dem party especially if it hurt the dnc's official dud-selection and would split the liberal vote. giggle. Think again. "Your party" is just a disjointed collection of losers in a shake n'bake bag. Bunch of losers who hate men and white people and working class people and anyone of european descent but are all having secret little party meetings to figure out how to get their vote back again even though they hate them. Yeh. What could go wrong there? Frigging Moron Convention. Meanwhile, all the young dem women and millenials are out campaigning and excited about a 75 year old guy who is not even a democrat. You guys got your shiite together, you just can't remember where you left it. Nice. Go for the gold.

    It also is not going to help the dnc when more evidence comes in and shows that the hacking at the dnc was an inside job and the little russian spin falls apart. Most likely a bernie supporter who wanted to - and in fact succeeded- to expose the fact that the dnc and media were colluding with hillary and colluding to obstruct Bernie- even though their mission was to support all candidates. Don't expect anyone to forget that anytime soon- especially Bernie. Don't expect to see tears in his eyes when the dems cry that a third party would be ruinous for the dems and would only benefit the republicans. Idiots. All of you.
     
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    #82     Jul 29, 2017
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  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Who said that?You seem to make shit up in your head and than reply to it.
     
    #83     Jul 29, 2017
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  4. No one ever accused you of making anything up. Nope. You stick with the official talking points that the dnc sends or you do not get that extra potato in your rations this month.
     
    #84     Jul 29, 2017
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    #85     Jul 31, 2017
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  6. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    I am not an expert and would never generalize, if being or wanting to be a tranny makes one crazy, I could care less. If they can be ready for combat and whoop some ass, you shouldn't care either. I'm just saying if we were to get all the crazies out we'd be left with one hell of a small Military.
     
    #86     Jul 31, 2017
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/us/politics/transgender-trump-administration-sex-definition.html

    Trump Administration Eyes Defining Transgender Out of Existence


    By Erica L. Green, Katie Benner and Robert Pear

    • Oct. 21, 2018
    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

    A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of gender in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing gender largely as an individual’s choice and not determined by the sex assigned at birth. The policy prompted fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

    Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.

    The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.

    “Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”

    The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million Americans who have opted to recognize themselves — surgically or otherwise — as a gender other than the one they were born into.

    “This takes a position that what the medical community understands about their patients — what people understand about themselves — is irrelevant because the government disagrees,” said Catherine E. Lhamon, who led the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights in the Obama administration and helped write transgender guidance that is being undone.

    The move would be the most significant of a series of maneuvers, large and small, to exclude the population from civil rights protections and roll back the Obama administration’s more fluid recognition of gender identity. The Trump administration has sought to bar transgender people from serving in the military and has legally challenged civil rights protections for the group embedded in the nation’s health care law.

    Several agencies have withdrawn Obama-era policies that recognized gender identity in schools, prisons and homeless shelters. The administration even tried to remove questions about gender identity from a 2020 census survey and a national survey of elderly citizens.

    For the last year, health and human services has privately argued that the term “sex” was never meant to include gender identity or even homosexuality, and that the lack of clarity allowed the Obama administration to wrongfully extend civil rights protections to people who should not have them.

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    Roger Severino, now at the Department of Health and Human Services, was among the conservatives who blanched at the Obama administration’s expansion of sex to include gender identity.CreditAaron P. Bernstein/Getty Images
    Roger Severino, the director of the Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Health and Human Services, declined to answer detailed questions about the memo or his role in interagency discussions about how to revise the definition of sex under Title IX.

    But officials at the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed that their push to limit the definition of sex for the purpose of federal civil rights laws resulted from their own reading of the laws and from a court decision.

    Mr. Severino, while serving as the head of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at the Heritage Foundation, was among the conservatives who blanched at the Obama administration’s expansion of sex to include gender identity, which he called “radical gender ideology.”

    In one commentary piece, he called the policies a “culmination of a series of unilateral, and frequently lawless, administration attempts to impose a new definition of what it means to be a man or a woman on the entire nation.”

    “Transgender people are frightened,” said Sarah Warbelow, the legal director of the Human Rights Campaign, which presses for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. “At every step where the administration has had the choice, they’ve opted to turn their back on transgender people.”

    The Department of Health and Human Services has called on the “Big Four” agencies that enforce some part of Title IX — the Departments of Education, Justice, Health and Human Services, and Labor — to adopt its definition in regulations that will establish uniformity in the government and increase the likelihood that courts will accept it.

    The definition is integral to two proposed rules currently under review at the White House: One from the Education Department deals with complaints of sex discrimination at schools and colleges receiving federal financial assistance; the other, from health and human services, deals with health programs and activities that receive federal funds or subsidies. Both regulations are expected to be released this fall, and would then be open for public comment, typically for 60 days. The agencies would consider the comments before issuing final rules with the force of law — both of which could include the new gender definition.

    Civil rights groups have been meeting with federal officials in recent weeks to argue against the proposed definition, which has divided career and political appointees across the administration. Some officials hope that health and human services will at least rein in the most extreme parts, such as the call for genetic testing to determine sex.

    After more than a year of discussions, health and human services is preparing to formally present the new definition to the Justice Department before the end of the year, Trump administration officials say. If the Justice Department decides that the change is legal, the new definition can be approved and enforced in Title IX statutes, and across government agencies.

    The Justice Department declined to comment on the draft health and human services proposal. The Justice Department has not yet been asked to render a formal legal opinion, according to an official there who was not authorized to speak about the process.

    But Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s previous decisions on transgender protections have given civil rights advocates little hope that the department will prevent the new definition from being enforced. The proposal appears consistent with the position he took in an October 2017 memo sent to agencies clarifying that the civil rights law that prohibits job discrimination does not cover “gender identity, per se.”

    Harper Jean Tobin, the policy director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, an advocacy group, called the maneuvering “an extremely aggressive legal position that is inconsistent with dozens of federal court decisions.”

    Health and human services officials said they were only abiding by court orders, referring to the rulings of Judge Reed O’Connor of the Federal District Court in Fort Worth, Tex., a George W. Bush appointee who has held that “Congress did not understand ‘sex’ to include ‘gender identity.’”

    A 2016 ruling by Judge O’Connor concerned a rule that was adopted to carry out a civil rights statute embedded in the Affordable Care Act. The provision prohibits discrimination based on race, color, national origin, sex, age or disability in “any health program or activity” that receives federal financial assistance.

    But in recent discussions with the administration, civil rights groups, including Lambda Legal, have pointed to other court cases. In a legal memo presented to the administration, a coalition of civil rights groups wrote, “The overwhelming majority of courts to address the question since the most relevant Supreme Court precedent in 1998 have held that antitransgender bias constitutes sex discrimination under federal laws like Title IX.”

    Indeed, the health and human services proposal was prompted, in part, by pro-transgender court decisions in the last year that upheld the Obama administration’s position.

    In their memo, health and human services officials wrote that “courts and plaintiffs are racing to get decisions” ahead of any rule-making, because of the lack of a stand-alone definition.

    “Courts and the previous administration took advantage of this circumstance to include gender identity and sexual orientation in a multitude of agencies, and under a multitude of laws,” the memo states. Doing so “led to confusion and negative policy consequences in health care, education and other federal contexts.”



    One of the Trump administration’s first decisive policy acts was the rescission by the Education and Justice Departments of Obama-era guidelines that protected transgender students who wanted to use bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity.

    Since the guidance was rescinded, the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights has halted and dismissed discrimination cases filed by transgender students over access to school facilities. A restrictive governmentwide definition would cement the Education Department’s current approach.

    But it would also raise new questions.

    The department would have to decide what documentation schools would be required to collect to determine or codify gender. Title IX applies to a number of educational experiences, such as sports and single-sex classes or programs where gender identity has come into play. The department has said it will continue to open cases where transgender students face discrimination, bullying and harassment, and investigate gender-based harassment as “unwelcome conduct based on a student’s sex” or “harassing conduct based on a student’s failure to conform to sex stereotypes.”

    The Education Department did not respond to an inquiry about the health and human services proposal.

    Ms. Lhamon of the Obama Education Department said the proposed definition “quite simply negates the humanity of people.”
     
    #87     Oct 21, 2018
  8. I dont want your daughter to be forced to use the same bathroom as a Cherokee.

    Wait, I am not good at this identity politics stuff, and want to keep it that way.


    :cool:
     
    #88     Oct 22, 2018