Trump again endangers national security

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Oct 31, 2018.

  1. Please gather “All your people” around and try to come up with some supporting statements. Because if you can’t, it strongly suggests that you are what you are calling me: “A cult fucking moron”.

    Do you have anything, or are you going to bow out of this conversation like you usually do in other conversations you start because you are simply “intellected” out?
     
    #31     Jan 30, 2020
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  2. No idea what you are rambling on about it.

    You said "It almost sound like the Left is now in love with former Bush appointed and still war hawk John Bolton."

    I said they just want him to testify, not fuck him.

    Pretty clear and succinct without the logorrhea.
     
    #32     Jan 30, 2020
  3. We are definitely on different wave lengths here, but I will critically analyze this exchange to try to understand where you are coming from. Will also address in detail the other issues (minimum wages, homelessness, and regulation) we have been discussing, where you have been surprisingly binary, hopefully this weekend when I have more time.
     
    #33     Jan 31, 2020
  4. You could turn anything into a 5 page thesis I guess...I don't need your logorrhea to address what is a pretty straightforward exchange.

    YOU: claim the Dems are no so in love with Bolton who they have hated in the past.

    ME: They just want him to testify, they don't want to fuck him.

    I seriously cannot see how this is any more complicated than the amount of words I used above.
     
    #34     Jan 31, 2020
  5. smallfil

    smallfil

    That is rich when the Democrats are the biggest Anti-American traitors around. Who is for open borders? Opposes the killing of Qassem Soleimani? Iranian general responsible for the deaths of Americans. Recently, approved resolutions essentially, tying the hands of President Donald Trump to prevent him from taking military action to protect the US? Which party has Socialists, Communists and radical Islamists as members of the US Congress as it is?
     
    #35     Jan 31, 2020
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...-cia-find-kill-osama-bin-laden-s-son-n1135101

    Trump pushed CIA to find, kill Osama bin Laden's son over higher priority targets
    When the CIA gave Trump a list of major terror leaders to kill, he said he'd never heard of them. Instead he focused on a target with a famous name.

    WASHINGTON — When intelligence officials briefed President Donald Trump on the most worrisome terrorist threats during the first two years of his tenure, they regularly mentioned the names of the senior terror figures the CIA was working hardest to find and kill, including the leader of al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahri.

    Trump would ultimately greenlight successful strikes on ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Yemeni al Qaeda chief Qasim al-Rimi — perhaps the most significant names on the CIA list of potential U.S. targets.

    But he was more interested in a young and less influential figure much farther down the list, according to two people familiar with the briefings, because he recognized the name.

    "He would say, 'I've never heard of any of these people. What about Hamza bin Laden?'"
    one former official said.

    "That was the only name he knew,"
    a Pentagon official added.

    Although Osama bin Laden's youngest son was not believed to be planning attacks, the U.S. ultimately carried out an airstrike that killed him in 2018, according to current and former officials familiar with the matter. At first, officials weren't sure of his fate, but in July, NBC News was the first to report that U.S. officials believed he was dead.

    An examination of the process that led to the strike against Hamza bin Laden puts a spotlight on how Trump has approached what is among the most weighty responsibilities of the U.S. president in the post 9/11 era: deciding which of America's enemies should be marked for death.

    Trump's recent decision to target Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani — in the face of intelligence suggesting that Iran would seek to retaliate for the Quds Force commander's death by killing Americans — illustrates the high stakes nature of such decisions. Improvements in weaponry and in the technology for finding targets have given this president lethal options his predecessors never had, but the greater freedom of action can make the decisions tougher.

    Yet Trump — who doesn't read or digest detailed intelligence assessments, according to current and former officials — says he operates on instinct. "I have a gut, and my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else's brain can ever tell me," he said in answer to a question about the economy during a November 2018 interview.

    "The president's highest priority is keeping Americans safe," said a senior administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "He and his administration have successfully targeted the most dangerous and deadly terrorists in the world in order to protect the American people, including Hamza bin Laden, al-Baghdadi, Qassem Soleimani, and Qasim al-Rimi. These and countless other measures that have removed dozens of high value targets exemplify this administration's resolve to defeat terrorism."

    The successful strike on al-Rimi, the leader of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, was announced by the White House on Feb. 7. He and Baghdadi, the ISIS leader killed in a U.S. commando raid that Trump authorized in October 2019, were at or near the top of every intelligence priority list, officials say.

    But former CIA official Douglas London, who led an agency unit targeting senior terrorists in 2018, says that what he called Trump's "obsession" with bin Laden's son "is one example of the president's preference for a 'celebrity' targeted killing versus prioritizing options that could prove better for U.S. security."

    In a piece for the website JustSecurity.com, which London says was reviewed and deemed unclassified by the CIA, he wrote, "CIA had not overlooked the value in Hamza's name recognition, nor his musings posted by al Qaeda's media cell, but he was young, lacked battlefield experience, and had yet to develop a serious following."

    Few if any counterterrorism experts argue that Hamza bin Laden was not a lawful target. He was urging attacks on Americans on behalf of a terror group with which the U.S. is at war, and he was seen by experts as a possible future al Qaeda leader.

    But the CIA assessment at the time was that he was not next in the line of succession, and was not a top threat, according to London and other U.S. intelligence officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    "Despite intelligence assessments showing the greater dangers posed by Zawahiri … and the unlikelihood Hamza was in the immediate line of succession, the president thought differently," London wrote. "He regularly demanded updates on Hamza and insisted we accelerate our efforts to go after him."

    Trump's wishes "necessarily influenced the alignment of the Intelligence Community's focus and resources," London wrote, in an unusual peek behind the scenes into the secret process of targeting terrorists.

    London suggested that politics may have been a factor in Trump's decision-making.

    "It was not lost on us working the issue that the president pressed hardest for results in the run-up to the 2018 midterm elections," he wrote.

    The Pentagon, the Department of State and various intelligence agencies had input into the process of nominating Hamza bin Laden for lethal action, according to a former senior U.S. official directly familiar with the matter.

    But Hamza bin Laden was not a top priority until Trump's exhortations influenced the extent to which the CIA devoted scarce manhunting resources to tracking him, according to London's account.

    In the wake of 9/11 when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan, he was among bin Laden's family members who made their way to Iran, where he lived for a number of years, some of them in detention, intelligence officials say.

    But in August 2015, al-Zawahri appeared in a video and introduced the younger bin Laden, calling him "a lion from the den of al Qaeda."

    Bin Laden didn't appear in the video but said in an audio-only portion, "What America and its allies fear the most is that we take the battlefield from Kabul, Baghdad and Gaza to Washington, London, Paris and Tel Aviv, and to take it to all the American, Jewish and Western interests in the world."

    He quickly became a fixture in al Qaeda messages, and counterterrorism officials took notice. The news media began reporting on the possibility that he was being groomed as a future terror leader. After the death of the senior bin Laden at the hands of Navy SEALs in Pakistan, and amid the rise of the Islamic State militant group or ISIS, al Qaeda was struggling for relevance.

    By the time of his father's death, officials believed Hamza bin Laden had relocated to the Afghanistan-Pakistan region.

    Still, during the Obama administration, there was little focus on Hamza bin Laden, three former senior officials said. He did not figure in intelligence assessments about the terror threat.

    "I don't remember a single meeting at which we focused on Hamza bin Laden," said Joshua Geltzer, who was the top counterterrorism official on the National Security Council until early in the Trump administration.

    "He had the name but he didn't have a lot of working relationships with people, and he didn't have battlefield experience," a former senior counterterrorism official added.

    In November 2017, the CIA released documents seized in the bin Laden operation, including a video of Hamza bin Laden's wedding to the daughter of 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta.

    Trump was president by then, and the video prompted a spate of television coverage. Fox News, a favored source of information for the president, devoted significant airtime to the release of the CIA documents and the video of the younger bin Laden.

    Inside the U.S. government — and among U.S. allies, according to a senior Western intelligence official — there was heightened concern that Hamza bin Laden could refresh al Qaeda's ailing brand.

    But there was no evidence he was involved in attacks or even inspiring them, experts say.

    "It is not clear at all that Hamza presented an actual serious threat of inspiring attacks," said Seth Jones, a counterterrorism expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who advises the U.S. government.

    But Jones said he believes Hamza bin Laden was a justifiable target.

    Nonetheless, he said, "I can't remember a case where I've seen an interrogation of a terrorist who said he was inspired by Hamza bin Laden."

    In March of last year, the U.S. government announced a $1 million reward for information helping to locate Hamza bin Laden. There was a consensus that such a step was warranted, officials said.

    Still, the size of the reward was telling. It paled in comparison to the $10 million offered for senior al Qaeda operative Saif al-Adel, or the $25 million the U.S. had once offered for the senior bin Laden.

    "Hamza bin Laden is wanted for questioning in connection with his membership in the al Qaeda organization and his public declarations threatening the security of the United States," the wanted poster said.

    But by then, officials now believe, Hamza bin Laden was already dead.

    Al Qaeda leader al-Zawahri and his top lieutenants are believed to be very much alive.
     
    #36     Feb 16, 2020
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...e-job-director-national-intelligence-n1140086

    Trump anger cost Joseph Maguire the job of director of national intelligence
    Trump was mad about an intel official's briefing to Congress about election security, said an ex-official, costing Maguire a shot at the permanent DNI job.

    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump pushed aside his acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, in anger over what he perceived to be an inappropriate congressional briefing by the top intelligence official in charge of election security, a former senior U.S. official familiar with the matter confirmed to NBC News.

    Trump's anger cost Maguire a chance to become the permanent DNI, the former official said, confirming a report in The Washington Post.

    Trump announced Wednesday he was replacing Maguire with Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, a highly partisan figure with no intelligence experience.

    That was a shift; previously, Maguire, who had served as acting director of national intelligence since August, had been under consideration to get the permanent job of DNI.

    But last Thursday, the Post reported, Shelby Pierson, the intelligence official in charge of election security, gave a classified briefing to the House Intelligence Committee on 2020 election security.

    Citing sources familiar with the matter, The Post reported that Trump "erupted" in the Oval Office the day after the meeting over what he perceived as disloyalty by Pierson.

    The former official did not know what Pierson, who works for Maguire, said that set Trump off. The Post reported that the president "erroneously believed that she had given information exclusively to Rep. Adam B. Schiff, D-Calif., the committee chairman, and that the information would be helpful to Democrats if it were released publicly, the people familiar with the matter said."

    A committee official told the Post that wasn't true. The committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Pierson, a veteran intelligence official, is coordinating the intelligence gathering — and response — to foreign election threats.

    While the U.S. government is working to secure the 2020 election from hackers and disinformation, Trump has avoided publicly commenting or holding meetings about the subject because he believes the issue reflects badly on his 2016 victory in an election beset by Russian interference, officials have told NBC News.

    Meanwhile last week...

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills
    Senate GOP blocks three election security bills
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2020
    #37     Feb 20, 2020
  8. Lots of stuff there in those articles that can be milked to find and create new scams, new endless investigations, new outrages, new impeachments. Need to rush, rush, rush and impeach Trump and remove him or we are all going to die. Next months scam, very much like last months scam.

    I mean what else can the dems do? They are beginning to deal with the fact that they have no candidates who can beat trump.
     
    #38     Feb 20, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #39     Feb 21, 2020
  10. DTB2

    DTB2

    Oh no!! Intel sources say...

    What a surprise, just shocking I tell ya, I'm aghast.
     
    #40     Feb 21, 2020