Trump 2025

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Laissez Faire, Feb 19, 2025.

  1. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Had the US not brokered the relocation of all nukes from Ukraine to Russia in 1994, promising a security backstop, Russia would be behaving.

    It seems only the UK is still standing by that to a degree with a serious plan to send their troops already stationed in Romania.
     
    #11     Feb 19, 2025
  2. kashirin

    kashirin


    I sometimes ask myself why most idiots always post the most

    ever heard non proliferation? why would USA ever even consider expanding nuclear weapon to one of the most corrupt countries in the world?

    Ukraine in 90s were sanctioned for illegal weapon trade

    do you think for the minute they wouldn't consider to extort Europe or USA at some point with nuclear weapon?

    they are trying to blackmail now everyone just on mere hint of brokering peace. Can you imagine how it would be if they had nuclear weapon?
     
    #12     Feb 19, 2025
  3. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    From the guy who moved to Canada and left Canada because he learned it was cold sometimes and it kept happening.

    Russia, UK and USA agreed deal. Ukraine could have developed many ways.

    ET collects men who are too stupid to know that they are. I study this.

    I study you.
     
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    #13     Feb 19, 2025
  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Oh seriously stfu dumb ass there is no excuse for the behavior of Trump on this and many other policies. You put crazy Grandpa in charge of your country. He's already cozied up to Putin in the past and that man is a psychopath who has committed war crimes. There is no way electing Trump was ever going to be positive for the world including the US. And yet you did it twice. You'd think George W. Bush was recent enough to raise the red flags on why this is insanity.
     
    #14     Feb 19, 2025
  5. kashirin

    kashirin


    non proliferation is cornerstone of international safety. nobody would ever allow ukraine to have nuclear weapon

    Ukraine never had a choice to keep it or develop a new one
    If they didn't accept that deal I guaranty you in 1994 Russia and USA would invade together and take it by force and it would be the end of ukraine and Ukraine knew it

    Ukraine politicians were much more concerned about stealing and selling what was left from soviet union so it was easy choice for them
     
    #15     Feb 19, 2025
  6. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    A little point of history, The USA allowed Pakistan to get nukes and allowed Israel give them to South Africa.

    I recall an interesting chat about Dr. Abdul Khan, the nuclear architect when with my dad when he was on a Pakistan/Afgan power project.

    So US conservative were OK giving nukes to some pretty unreliable people if it was a thorn in Russia's side.

    Russia was buggered in 1994 and not starting any wars.
     
    #16     Feb 19, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Actually, Kahn's black market was tolerated for decades, he spread nuclear tech to North Korea, Iran, and Libya.

    Had Russia been a real threat in 1994, it would have been logical to let Ukraine keep its arsenal. But back then, Russia was struggling, not expanding. The West assumed the post-Soviet world was stable, which is why they didn’t mind Ukraine giving up its deterrent, an assumption that proved completely wrong.
     
    #17     Feb 19, 2025
  8. kashirin

    kashirin

    And RUssia gave nuclear weapon to china and regret it dearfully

    Time has changed no new players are allowed anymore and old players are all being controlled

    also you assume somehow USA was ever concerned about Ukraine or its non existing democracy or international law- they wasn't
    USA just used Ukraine just as a tool,

    this is why those warmongers and nazis lovers look so bizzare on this board with their
    screams about betrayal

    you can't betray hammer or drill
     
    #18     Feb 19, 2025
  9. kashirin

    kashirin


    yeah, US behaviour was strange at those time - like they wanted Russia to become great again so to have adversary some time in the future

    they could implement sort of Marshall plan for Russia and Russia would happily become part of the western world forever without any ambitions
     
    #19     Feb 19, 2025
  10. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Well you know Amercians, if everybody has a gun there can't be any violence. Nukes don't kill people.
     
    #20     Feb 19, 2025