TRUMP 2.0 - The foreplay ends. The journey begins.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Nov 7, 2024.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Actually it was Trump's plan to withdraw from Afghanistan. His administration made a disaster out of it and left Biden holding the bag.
     
    #181     Nov 18, 2024
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  2. Try again.

    Trump had a plan to withdraw and then Biden had a plan but it was a given that the administration overseeing the withdrawal would have to make tactical decisions based on the actual situation on the ground for whenever the withdrawal took place.

    Biden's own Milley and Cent Com Commander testified before Congress that they recommended that the U.S. maintain 2500 troops in Kabal until everyone was out but Biden nixed it.

    They also testified that - although they were the military- that the agreed upon sequence of events was that the State Department would move first and issue an order to evacuate, and then after that happened and people were out, they would move more troops into position to help. Milley and the Cent Com general testified that Biden issued the evacuation order too late and that everyone was already scrambling and chaotic before they had time to move the troops into position.

    And of course that abandonment of Bagram Airbase and all that equipment was never part of the Trump plan. It was all managed by Biden as just a cut and run chaos operation.
     
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    #182     Nov 18, 2024
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  3. Mercor

    Mercor

    It was Trumps outline....but the execution was pathetic
     
    #183     Nov 18, 2024
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  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Agree in toto
     
    #184     Nov 18, 2024
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  5. UsualName

    UsualName

    To be clear Trump made his deal with the Taliban in his plan to withdraw from Afghanistan. Biden had a moral opposition to handing over Afghanistan to the Taliban for obvious reasons but remained committed to the withdrawal He tried to support the Afghan government when we ultimately withdrew but when they folded up it was a lose lose.

    It depends on what your view on the Taliban is. Trump saw it as Taliban would inevitably take over the country so he cut out the Afghanistan government in his plans, handing Biden a giant pile of shit. Biden came in under the gun and put together a pretty shoddy plan to give the Afghanistan government a chance at holding some of the country. But it was too late and afghans are back in the 14th century presto change o.
     
    #185     Nov 18, 2024
  6. spy

    spy

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    #186     Nov 18, 2024
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    Tariffs are bullshit. It’s only an excuse for domestic producers to raise prices on what they produce. Reducing competition does not lead to competitive pricing. Profits drive business.
     
    #187     Nov 18, 2024
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    Nothing besides natural honey has an infinite life expectancy.

    Social Security is about to be 90 years old and going bankrupt, again. Like all things it will have to be tweaked to continue but it has also improved the lives of 100s of millions of Americans.

    So yeah, 25 more years out of Obamacare as we know it is fine. Just don’t fall for these shallow arguments of the right that it is not sustainable or social security is a Ponzi scheme, etc. The point is that aged and disabled Americans can retire and people without health insurance have access to healthcare.
     
    #188     Nov 18, 2024
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  9. UsualName

    UsualName

    Hegseth can eat a diq


     
    #189     Nov 18, 2024
  10. Absolutely did not support them.

    He cut and ran with the American troops who were desperately needed during the transition and predictably so by all known plans and common sense. What the hell does support look like if you are cutting and running abandoning the Afghans on the ground who worked shoulder to shoulder with Americans for decades. Biden abandoned them and American citizens there like they were garbage. It was well established before the troops left that the Taliban were taking over Kabul and could not be stopped. The Americans at least owed our own people and loyal afghans who worked with the government a ticket out. The troops were already there. Bagram had not been abandoned yet. The troops could have engaged and held off the Taliban until an evacuation had been completed. Gee, the idea of the troops being the last to leave rather than first. What a radical idea.

    In the end, private sector American patriots got far more Americans and loyals Afghans out than the American military or the American state department. Many, many are still there. Just total, total fucking fail!!!

    FAIL!!!!

    You see a pattern here?
    Biden also is not doing shit to get American hostages out of Gaza. Fail!!!!
    Just demonizing Bibi is not a strategy although it is the go-to one for you and Biden. Biden should have Iran gasping for air and praying for mercy, instead of sending them money and helping them with their nuclear plans.
     
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    #190     Nov 18, 2024