Trouble Choosing Between Futures and Options

Discussion in 'Trading' started by gaussian, May 21, 2019.

  1. gaussian

    gaussian

    You have 500+ posts and you don't understand that threadjacking isn't cool. Nice.

    I'll address the why not both below for you guys:

    The whole reason I want to stick to one for now over the other is strictly just to get better. It's very time consuming (I work full time, many times I travel for work) to mentally switch contexts from futures to options. I'd prefer to get completely familiar with one instrument. I am most familiar with options. I have been trading them for around 2 years. Additionally my risk capital is around 12,000 at the moment. I'm in my late 20s and between balancing mortgage, retirement, etc that's all I've scraped together as pitiful as it is.

    This is why I like options a lot. Its very much a job of an insurance salesman, and I'm pretty decent at probabilities. I just feel like I have to take on a lot more trades in options than I do in futures.


    It would seem that the answer is why not both...just what I was afraid of. I suppose I will have to do some soul searching. Options on futures are a possibility and SPAN margin is nice - however margins in general on futures options tend to be nuts in today's volatility.
     
    #11     May 21, 2019
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  2. qlai

    qlai

    I trade/understand neither, but shouldn't you first define for yourself what it is you would like to achieve? Once you are clear what the long/mid term goal is, you may get more relevant answers I think.
     
    #12     May 21, 2019
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    If you are really adamant about learning only one of the two, and since your history seems to be options, then do this...

    Try some e-micro equities for a while, see how you do. If you like it, go to minis. If you find the futures are too uncomfortable for you, then go back to what you know...options.

    The only thing I know regarding the difficulty between the two is futures are simpler in construction.

    If you find you like both a lot, you could try FOPs. Seems that someone who knows options, but then learns futures, would have a good advantage on the FOP.
     
    #13     May 21, 2019
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  4. ETJ

    ETJ

    Linear payoff for futures - non-linear for options and futures options.
    The rest is pretty much as the other posters have pointed out and the devil is in the details of the trade. I can create a future with options synthetically and I can try to replication a delta hedge with futures through dynamic hedging, but that breaks down if you underlying gaps.
    It would be a good idea to learn both as they can be combined for unique outcomes.
     
    #14     May 21, 2019
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  5. That's not pitiful, unless you're earning mid six figures or higher.

    Paper trade one or the other?
     
    #15     May 21, 2019
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  6. bone

    bone

    Either way you are going to require a trading system with a durable edge and exceptional position management.

    Personally I think you’re asking the wrong question - which instrument provides the best returns over a protracted period of time? Which instrument makes you more comfortable holding? Which instrument gives you the most confidence? Which instrument more effectively allows you to express your trade ideas in the marketplace?

    I think it’s a question best answered by yourself. I wish you good fortune!
     
    #16     May 21, 2019
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  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I still say, why not both? Options are boring and a waiting game most of the time. Once you have the position on, you still can trade futures on a smaller time frame, so your time is better spent.
     
    #17     May 21, 2019
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    :thumbsup::thumbsup:

    Why I trade options: Convexity.
     
    #18     May 22, 2019
  9. sorry bro, i was just asking a question related to options, not sure if it rubbed you the wrong way. anyways good luck.
     
    #19     May 22, 2019
  10. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Gaussian -- there's a lot to unpack there, but here's two thoughts:
    Options first, then futures.
    There is so much more to learn with options, and you've already absorbed 3/4s of it -- to switch to futures now would leave a lot of stuff dangling. Think of futures as DEEP ITM options -- get that 'synthetic long' picture down pat, and keep on.
    (Put slightly different,...)
    IMO, futures take lesser numbers of skills than options, but nearly all of those skills transfer to option trading. For options, many more skills are required, but fewer of those skills transfer to futures. So, if you've already absorbed 3/4s of optioneering, complete that task: you'll find futures to be a snap.

    Secondly, how are you trading them? Pekelo mentioned options being *boring*. OMG. But perhaps that's compared to how he's trading futures! For me, options are a nose-to-screen agenda these days, while end-of-day triggered futures (3-7 day holds, mostly) are what really allow me to sleep soundly. Your intended trading habits should very much be considered. (I started out as a tick scalper, 5-minutes was long-in-the-tooth, and an hour was eternity. But that very much schooled me on market mechanics. DOM de-DOM DOM!)
     
    #20     May 22, 2019