Hi All, For the consistently profitable traders out there: How about sharing with us the trials and tribulations you went thru before achieving your current state of profitability? I have yet to become a consistently profitable day trader or swing trader and would appreciate learning more about the path you took to reach this end. Having the proper expectations will certainly make my journey less frustrating. Some general things I have learned so far: 1. There is no holy grail. 2. You're not going to find how to day trade or swing trade properly by just reading a few books or attending a few seminars. 3. You've got to find what works for you, not what works for someone else. 4. Experience, especially losses, is the best teacher. I look forward to hearing your story. Thanks. -- Punter. P.S. Here's my intermediate term trading story, by the way: I floundered with trading my account for about 6 months in late 1998/early 1999. After getting fed up with losses, I turned to CANSLIM via Bill O'Neil's books (How to Make Money in the Stock Market). I didn't follow all the rules to the letter, but by the end of 1999 I made up for all my losses and had some chunky profits. I got out of the market in April 2000, a bit on the late side, but still had a good portion of my gains. Since then I've been mostly in cash. If I had followed his rules more closely, I would have gotten out sooner with more of my gains intact. In my opinion, with discipline to follow all the rules, you can be a CANSLIM trader in a few weeks or few month's time. Works great in a bull market, but in bear markets like these you've got be patient and willing to sit in cash until the Bull returns.