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Discussion in 'Psychology' started by vincentwenz, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. Here are the rules for receivers(listeners) we picked up during past few months' practice of TTP meetings:

    The rules to be the receiver(listener) during TTP meeting: (Form means unconscious body language, receive means listen to and watch somebody without judging the content of their talking, like their opinions or feelings, just watch their body language, you must act as a total receiver and not sending back any of your own opinion).

    As a receiver(listener), you are required to act neutral to the contents of sender(talker)'s talking(opinion, judgement, etc), even in case he is verbally attacking you, but you are required to act absolute supportive to sender's emotion or body language.

    Receiver must always stick to the rules:

    1. Unconditionally and relentlessly validate and respect the sender's emotion and totally ignore the content of sender's talking. To achieve this, Receiver must focus on the sender's forms, try his best to catch sender's every body movements and encourage sender to express those forms in a higher level.
    Application of this receiving concept(member picked it up after meeting during their daily life) :
    Receiving spouse when she is nagging, blaming, etc. Open your channel to receive her feeling, and become less sensitive of the words she might said which used to hurt you.
    Receiving children when they don't meet expectations, breaking rules.


    2. Receiver must always be aware of his own language with the sender:
    At sending and Receiving stage, receivers must always stick to the scripts. No other words.(script is "thank you". or "thank you for sharing your thoughts/feeling", no other comments is allowed during meeting, even if you don't agree with the sender!)
    At form development stage, receiver may use words at his/her discretion. But the words must always be about the forms, not about the content of sender's talking. Like: "open your eyes wider.", "bend over more", "turn your shoulder more", etc.
    Avoid using labels. E.g. "try to be sadder " is using label "sad". Instead, you can say "try to pout your lip harder", or "press you chin closer to you chest". Labels like "sad", "angry", "regret", are logic description of the emotions . Mentioning these words when sender is in an emotional mode tends to alert the sender by triggering sender's logic judge on that emotion, and eventually take sender away from his/her form development state.

    3. Receiver must also be aware of his/her own forms to make sure not to let his/her forms to discourage or distract sender from releasing themselves. Such forms are unintentional body movements which reflect receiver's own judgment on the contents of the sender's talking, or movements resulting from receiver's lack of attention or commitment on what the receiver is doing. Typical sender's forms to avoid:
    Nod or shake one's head, which disclose receiver's agreement or disagreement.
    Smile or grin, which is a response to a sender's story or opinion.
    Walk up to sender which invade personal space, and will catch sender's attention and alert sender, to make sender leave his/her emotional state and come back to judgment of reality.
    Laughing.
    Physical contact to the sender, like patting on the shoulder, hold hands or hug, etc. are prohibited.
    Sudden body movements, like standing up and walking around.
    Making noises, by tapping on the table, fidgeting, stomping on the floor. Etc.
    Yawn, stretching which show tiredness, and will immediately draw the sender back to reservation mode.
    Among all the above rules, non physical contact is the hard rule from the 1st meeting. The others are actually skills which need time to develop. There's no doubt every new tribe member will break one or more of above rules in the first few meetings. No need to feel bad about it. Accept it because it's your true self. Grow yourself, grow your Fred with the tribe!
    Receivers will benefit immediately by trying to apply these rules. These skills will immediately help receivers on every part of their life. Including office space, relationship and public and social activities. Being aware and being able to control their own forms also help the receivers to avoid involving into other people's drama, stay out of other people's trouble, to serve the best of their own interest.

    4. Do not response to sender's questions. Otherwise you will engage conversation with the sender and inevitably be drawn into his drama.
    Sometimes senders will ask receiver questions. Asking questions is a sign the sender tries to stay in logic thinking mode and refuse to experience his/her true emotions. It’s sender’s way to escape.
    It's also a means for the sender to try to draw the receiver into his/her own drama. It's a trick played by sender's judge to try to keep itself from being untied.
    Sometime sender will intentionally verbally and personally challenge the receiver, instead of talking about his own issue. Be aware and accept whatever senders says. This could also be a sign of that sender or sender's Fred is trying to draw you into his/her drama. Just focus on your own rules which is watching sender's forms, sticking to your own system, keeping control of your verbal and form response to his challenge.
    Receiver should acknowledge senders intention of asking question and focus on sender's form. A possible good response is: "I like the way you raise your head when you asked me the question, please raise your head higher".

    5. Form development should be following the trend of sender's emotion and forms, instead of designing or imposing the forms for the sender, which most time will digress or suppress sender's trend and stop him from developing his own forms. Receiver watch the forms sender is already doing or showing signs to do and encourage him to do it to a greater extent. Not to ask him do a form he is not doing which will interrupt his current form. This will impose a stray form and disturb his form development.
    Application of this receiving concept :
    Watching the market unfolding itself, developing its own forms(pattern), instead of applying trader's own opinion on the market and wish market go our way.
    .Helping the children develop their own passion and talent, instead of make decisions and goals for them.

    6. If the receiver continues having problem encouraging the sender developing sender's own forms, it's a sign that the receiver himself has some kind of judge and k-not. And this is also the reason we need a hotseat session with Field of Acknowledgement comprising more than one receiver, so that some other receivers can pick it up and do the job.
    Application of this receiving concept
    We are not surprised to see this happens when we made poor trades.
    Most times children's "problem" comes from their k-notty parents. |-(

    7. Form development: Directing forms in such ways:
    Asking sender to slow down on a specific form he is doing.
    Asking sender to speed up a specific form he is doing
    Repeat the form.
    To a great extent on length, angle, force, or speed.
    Asking sender which part of his body has sensations when he feel his emotion.
    Asking him to focus on that part of his body.
    Asking sender to describe what feel at that part of his body.
    Asking sender whether that sensation changes in strength, location, range, etc.
    Asking sender to slow down to freeze, stay in that form and feel that form.
    Using TTP suggestive syntax that avoids questions and stays with SVO-p. For example, "OK. Freeze it right there._ Great._ Now, you might notice yourself recalling an incident from your youth when you feel exactly the same way as you are feeling"
    "In particular, if you assault your client with questions (per your "we ask him about a earlier event") you are likely to pull him out of his trance state and back into his conscious mind." "The method of interrupting a form at its peak to locate a critical event requires some experience and subtlety."--Ed 01/22/2011 FAQ
     
    #11     Feb 22, 2012
  2. Here is the meeting agenda which is followed exactly, to help understand what the members are doing in the TTP meeting.


    Drumming: 10 min

    Check-in: 2 Min per person
    Each sender state present feeling, which he/she can feel "right now”

    Sending and Receiving Thoughts -10 Minutes
    Members divide into small group of twos.
    Script: Repeat this pattern till 5 minutes time up then switch role.
    Receiver: “What are you thinking now?”
    Sender: “...”.
    Receiver: “Thanks.”
    Receiver must stick exactly to the script.
    No comment, no conversation.
    Receiver may agree or disagree with the content of Sender's taking by unintentional body movement, nodding, smiling. Pay attention to that and try to refrain yourself.
    Sender may remind the Receiver to stick to scripts if sender did not.
    Check-out

    Sending and Receiving Feelings
    Feelings are emotions and body sensations. Not includes thoughts, opinion and logic.
    Find someone new to you(switch partners).
    Script: Repeat this pattern till 5 minutes time up then switch role.
    Receiver: “What are you feeling now?”
    Sender: “...”.
    Receiver: “Thanks.”
    Check-out.

    Sending and Receiving forms
    The sender may not say complete logical sentence, he may use primal sounds and short phrase that carries emotion
    Sender may use facial expression, gesture, body postures.
    Script: Repeat this pattern till 5 minutes time up then switch role.
    Receiver: “ Show me a form, now?”
    Sender: display his/her form.
    Receiver: “Thanks.”

    Developing forms. - 10 Minutes
    Receiver encourages Sender without using logic or analyzing words.
    If finished the 1st form, both sit quietly, no talking.
    Or Receiver prompt sender to send another form.
    Wait till 5 minutes mark to switch role.

    Developing forms in a small tribe. - 30 Minutes
    The chief pick one member has the most intense emotions presently to be on the hotseat, and all other members be his receiver.
    While the Chief or a process manager and the sender work, the other Tribe
    members join the process as receivers.
    The receivers acknowledge the form without judgment, to form a Field of Acknowledgement.
    The chief or the process manager direct the process and the other members should follow the chiefs initiation without digress.
    The Chief checks out next-to-last and the Sender checks out last

    Honoring the Judge. - 10 Minutes
    Sometime the sender will not fully develop his form even with the help of chief and the other receivers. This is because there is a judge or more than one judge stop him/her from release his form.
    The tribe will honor the judge to make the judge melt away.
    If there’s a stack of judges, the chief will find the “happy judge” and honor the happy judge.
    The chief calls for a Check-out and a break.

    Re-integrating Form. - 60 Minutes
    The Chief works with the sender and with the other Tribe members to develop a form completely.
    When the form is complete, the Chief asks the sender if he is willing to experience a second form.
    As the sender starts to experience all his forms, the chief will ask the sender to do all the forms again, simultaneously, to make them re-integrate.
    The goal to make the sender reach an “AHHA” state.

    The DIM Process. - 3 Minutes
    The Final Check-out. -3 Minutes per person.
     
    #12     Feb 22, 2012