Trend Following Research

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by Trend Following, Aug 28, 2010.


  1. I disagree. market returns can be random, yet some can find an structural edge to exploit, or simply get lucky. Can one extract alpha from a casino? if the average is most lose.....Clearly, some people do. Individuals extracting alpha does not mean they were not simply lucky in being at the right place at the right time within an efficient system.

    If you have 50 bettors and they all keep betting on a coin flip, one will eventually emerge as the winner, therefore said to have "alpha" in that time series of bets. This winner clearly beat the "average" returns of the others. It's all relative which takes us back to my initial point.

    Good Luck!
     
    #351     Mar 6, 2011
  2. Butterball

    Butterball

    You're ridding right? You can't be serious.
     
    #352     Mar 6, 2011
  3. Trend Following

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    These 3 pumping Gann, cycles, turning points and the like...have nothing except wandering prose designed to fool the fools.

    Forget the sales part of this PDF, the data provides lessons. This is the type of detail that doesn't exist with the Gann quacks.
     
    #353     Mar 6, 2011
  4. Trend Following

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    More detail from the first post in this thread:

    http://www.trendfollowing.com/whitepaper/trendfollowing.pdf
     
    #354     Mar 6, 2011
  5. I was asking for work like Lo, Mamaysky and Wang 2000, or Blume, Easley & O'Hara 94, who show TA provides some value but using data post 2001.
     
    #355     Mar 6, 2011

  6. Illustrative value or predictive value?
     
    #356     Mar 6, 2011
  7. Samsara

    Samsara

    <a href="http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187730">Lescor's thread</a>

    Here's an example of a successful trader who has documented how he produces alpha by providing liquidity to distressed traders during unbalanced moves. The emotional side of herd behavior provides an edge like this, which is not based on money management alone.

    Goodboy isn't the brightest bulb in the box, but he is a sycophant. As such, he parrots the vendors with whom he wants to rub elbows, who themselves parrot the academics in economics departments (who are closet metaphysicians that reify models rather than operate in reality).

    Everyone's trying to sell something in their philosophy of market behavior. The only people worth listening to are those who "do", and prove that they do. I'll take a trader, or a system developer, over a vendor and his toadies any day.
     
    #357     Mar 6, 2011
  8. Trend Following

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    The trend traders with continuous track records going back over 20 years (Dunn back to 74) are more useful over ivory tower types if one wants to really learn:

    http://www.dunncapital.com
    http://www.wintoncapital.com
    http://www.altispartners.com
    http://www.transtrend.com
    http://www.aspectcapital.com
    http://www.hawksbillcapital.com
    http://www.grahamcapital.com
    http://www.emccta.com
    http://www.abrahamtrading.com
    http://www.millburncorp.com
    http://www.drurycapital.com
    http://www.clarkecap.com
    http://www.tacticalnet.com
    http://www.saxoninvestment.com
    http://www.eckhardttrading.com
    http://www.sunrisecapital.com
    http://www.jwh.com

    etc.

    One academic who has profiled trend followers:
    http://www.duke.edu/~dah7/index.htm
     
    #358     Mar 6, 2011
  9. MC, with some due respect, what about all the TF funds that fail?! How does your list control for survivorship bias.
     
    #359     Mar 6, 2011
  10. If "lescor" actually exists and speaks truth, he is demonstrating an example of an edge. Edges do exist regardless of a system( the market ) being "efficient"-- although these edges are often short term and fleeting.

    Do you really believe that hedge funds hire academics because they have no relevance to the real world?

    I prefer to rely on objective evidence than anecdotal evidence of a success story. This is another issue with traders, and a very financially dangerous one--- taking one example and extrapolating it across the whole.
     
    #360     Mar 6, 2011