trend following delusion shattered

Discussion in 'Trading' started by hank rollins, Mar 15, 2005.

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  1. LOL and all investors are always rational and never emotional. :D
     
    #941     Mar 29, 2005
  2. Sorry I realize that I have lost interest.

    Good luck
     
    #942     Mar 29, 2005
  3. opm8

    opm8

    Since when do you need rationality for a trend? Complete rationality does not exist in humans, anyway, except in the mentally deficient. See Taleb's book.

    --opm8
     
    #943     Mar 29, 2005
  4. I agree, but what i don't understand is why everyone want's to test random data.
    The market is human-driven. Rational and/or irrational behaviour is influencing the evolution of the ticks. You don't have that element in random data. So testing on random data is useless to me.

    What am i missing?
     
    #944     Mar 29, 2005
  5. Q
    http://classes.entom.wsu.edu/526/Exogenous.htm

    "When a time series is found to be non-stationary it may be necessary to model the exogenous effects before we can forecast future population densities. There are four major situations that give rise to non-stationary time series -- transients, trends, discontinuities, and multiple equilibria."

    UQ

    Q
    www.brettsteenbarger.com/Short-Term Trading2.doc

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    A major conclusion was that the distribution of price changes through the day is nonstationary, making it hazardous to employ the same buying and selling parameters through the day.
    "
    UQ

    Q
    http://epub.wu-wien.ac.at/dyn/virlib/wp/showentry?ID=epub-wu-01_1e1

    "In this paper we investigate the potential of the analysis of noisy non-stationary time series by quantizing it into streams of discrete symbols and applying finite-memory symbolic predictors."
    UQ


    :confused:
     
    #945     Mar 29, 2005
  6. What character in the actual market behavior is rational and/or irrational?

    Also, in what way does it influence it?

    Please read back to hanketsurfer's post about his subjective view of chaos and order...
     
    #946     Mar 29, 2005
  7. I think nicholaf was being skeptical...
     
    #947     Mar 29, 2005
  8. mr. subliminal, i know i am a little late to this thread, but i will ALWAYS trade a random system with introduced trends. that's a no brainer. i've done sufficient money management tests to know that the only thing you need is a little trendiness, not too high commissions and spread and you'll win.

    Therefore i am thinking an indicator which displays trendiness could be very helpful to screen markets.

    Does anyone know such an indicator? I know "trendiness" by itself would show a curve, but then you'd have to trade this curve as well :p
     
    #948     Mar 29, 2005
  9. :confused:

    1. Random system? Random system on "pseudo"-random data?

    2. Introduced trends = Not random. Isn't it???

    3. What's trendiness? You might know but others might not.

    :confused:
     
    #949     Mar 29, 2005
  10. just following subliminal's lead, everything is in context
     
    #950     Mar 29, 2005
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