trend following delusion shattered

Discussion in 'Trading' started by hank rollins, Mar 15, 2005.

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  1. Right on.
     
    #911     Mar 28, 2005
  2. Yo, brotha, right on, power to the people!

    By the way, you have inspired me to have another T-Shirt printed up. On the front, this one will say

    "I believe in spurious corellations" and underneath a picture of Einstein.

    On the back:

    "and visual illusions"

    and underneath this one a picture of MarketSmurfer. Surely you will send me a wallet size photo from which to print my shirts.

    :D
     
    #912     Mar 28, 2005
  3. I try to take the big moves, not hopping in and out every 15 minutes. By trading in smaller timeframes you risk to miss 1 entry; and that might be THE entry of the day, the difference between small profits and big profits. I got 5 signals to go long after the opening. Each signal was profitable, but the problem is: where to take profit, knowing that the trend will stay long? And will the correction be big enough to reenter at a better price? You risk to get out at the wrong time, so stay in the trend as long as possible. And more trades means more slippage, more commissions and more energy to do it right.

    If have tested years to find out which combination of indicators gave the best results over more than 1000 trades. And i trade in multiple timeframes.

    Many people don't realize what return you can have just by trading the trend (that doesn't exist according to some people).
     
    #913     Mar 28, 2005
  4. Thanks so much for your reply.

    Its fairly clear that you have reached the "no sweat" part of steady accumulation of capital

    That fractal does give a good feeling for "nobody is going to fall off the edge of the earth" context.

    I agree that you can trade "inside" of the slower fractals with smaller linked trades and even go to "position" if your indicators are signalling multi day movement with strength (the trending days patterns).

    Using the overdriven indicator is a very swift refinement. Especially as an leading exit signal. When you see it leaving being overdriven you still can use another indicator as the final signal for reversing or just exiting to get flat.

    thanks again.
     
    #914     Mar 28, 2005
  5. What I meant was that if your call says that price will be at 50.00 around 14:00est what will the difference between your call and actual price around 14:00 est . Basically what is the price accuracy ? 10-15 cents in oil from nearest peak( bottom)?
    My experience says that peaks and bottoms can be forecasted more accurately then actual price at those peaks and bottoms.
     
    #915     Mar 28, 2005


  6. my calls don't say things like " price will be @50.00 around 14:00 est". i do post an occasional speculation like " i believe oil will be at or near 50 within 30 days"--however, these are not trading calls--simply speculations.

    my trading calls are either go long or go short OR i am long or short at this time, this instrument at a particular price, rarely do i post targets.

    hope this clarifies.
     
    #916     Mar 28, 2005


  7. :D would you like that autographed ? :D
     
    #917     Mar 28, 2005
  8. A few days ago I asked whether it was possible to exploit a price curve that was randomly generated using an algorithm that introduced "trends".

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=714184#post714184

    Not surprisingly, there was little response. I generated 5 curves with "trend" and 5 completely random curves, which I will post henceforth, not necessarily in that order.
     
    #918     Mar 28, 2005
  9. Random or "trend"?

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    #919     Mar 28, 2005
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    #920     Mar 28, 2005
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