trend following delusion shattered

Discussion in 'Trading' started by hank rollins, Mar 15, 2005.

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  1. No free lunch for you, buddy. Do your own work!

    M
     
    #361     Mar 21, 2005
  2. Pabst

    Pabst

    Hey OT! Aren't we the "trend traders" who were selling the index at 1220?:D
     
    #362     Mar 21, 2005
  3. Not quite logical.

    "All publicly available information and techniques are effectively already in the market price, because there's no way for the individual trader to reliably compete against the resources and access of the collective competition including the bigger players."

    The principle of efficiency doesn't apply to the use of standard quotes in a proprietary system.
     
    #363     Mar 21, 2005
  4. What an ignorant statement.
     
    #364     Mar 21, 2005
  5. I think you gotta call that knowing when to "trend trade" and when not to. LOL.

    That's why I'm wondering how Rollins and his professors define the trend. If they wait for the circumstances we saw that particular morning then it's no wonder their "tests" don't work.

    OldTrader
     
    #365     Mar 21, 2005
  6. There is no free lunch for anybody.

    That's why 19 out of 20 follows of the Imaginary Trend blow up.
     
    #366     Mar 21, 2005
  7. No its not.

    Most people who attempt to follow trends blow up because they fail to be able to implement the classical advice. They dont cut their losses short (or they cut them too short) or they don't let their winners run. In other words they fail to follow the trend.
     
    #367     Mar 21, 2005
  8. No one goes to that restaurant anymore, it's too crowded.

    If price trend was anything but a fantasy, it would be such easy money that no one could get any.
     
    #368     Mar 21, 2005
  9. yenzen

    yenzen

    Its no surprise we have these kinds of arguments at decade lows in volatility. "Nickel Scalpers" profess to have all the wisdom as trends are aborted in mid stream and the mean regression guys jump on their soapboxes and claim victory.

    Senor Zen
     
    #369     Mar 21, 2005
  10. "why is the great trend follower experiencing such massive drawdowns right now ?" - Well common sense would tell me he is not that great of a Trend Trader if he is experiencing ANY major drawdowns. Read below for an explanation.

    "if you flip a coin 10 times and it comes up heads 10 times, are you in a heads trend ?" - Allow to put this tired phrase to bed Hank. A coin toss has 2 possible outcomes; heads or tails, thus impossible to create a trend where there is no variable. Price has 4 possible outcomes; HH, LH, LL or HL, thus establishing a variable and creating the possibility of creating a trend. A trend is established where 3 sequential points are confirmed; HH, HL & HH or HL, HH & HL to establish a Bull Trend. Or a LL, LH & LL or LH, LL & LH to establish a Bear Trend. Once you have confirmed a trend the expectation is that price will continue in that trend until it fails to continue in that trend. (stinking Logic) Once an oscillation is confirmed to break out of that trend, price will do one of ONLY three things; either continue on in the past trend, consolidate or create a new trend. All easily readable from the oscillations.

    I know this is a simply explanation but it doesn't need to be quantitative physics.
     
    #370     Mar 21, 2005
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