trend following delusion shattered

Discussion in 'Trading' started by hank rollins, Mar 15, 2005.

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  1. Well, he didn't buy the Sox with the 2% mgmt fee...
     
    #1441     Aug 20, 2006
  2. An absolute fact... no question about it: John Henry's funds have made billions of dollars in profits for clients thru the years. Trend traders who hold positions for months = years do not concern themselves with relatively short-term performance as per this thread measures. A down year or two is irrelevant when their 20-year track record speaks for itself.

    Speaking as a pure intraday emini trader (at this time) I will also add that the act of following trends intraday, be they hours or minutes in duration is where the biggest money is, by a country mile.

    Hope this helps :>)
    Austin
     
    #1442     Aug 20, 2006
  3. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    Are you still supporting those "speculators" who joined your site, went to seminars, etc.? Just an honest question, not trying to pick a fight or anything...


     
    #1443     Aug 21, 2006
  4. Well surely there is an audited record of your "fund's" performance? Or your personal trading performance. After all, you have been asking everyone here to provide data. Where is your's? I am sure we would all love to see confirmation of what you have just claimed.

    Steve
     
    #1444     Aug 21, 2006
  5. Curious1

    Curious1

    MK,

    I am one of the Prof's students and YES, he is still supporting us.

    Best,

    Curious1
     
    #1445     Aug 21, 2006
  6. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    ok - now i see what you meant. but what if you enter in the direction of the (past) trend - after a pullback (reaction low) - are the odds of the market going (further) in your direction any higher than at any other point? or what if the reaction low is taken out but nevertheless few minutes later the trend resumes?
     
    #1446     Aug 21, 2006
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    If the trend is in it's infancy , yes. However, you should already be in and the reaction low/high becomes a place to place stops or reversal trades. You place the stop or reversal outside of the reaction low/high a predetermined distance. As far as the second question, you'll find that the reaction low/high is seldom taken out without a reversal or a cessation of the current trend. That is the essence of trend following. If you would like to see an example of what I am speaking about, take a gander at the 60 minute British Pound futures chart over the past couple of days until right now.
     
    #1447     Aug 21, 2006
  8. Absolutely, it's my responsibility.
     
    #1448     Aug 21, 2006

  9. this seems self contradictory.

    JWH has made billions, for his clients, long term, but the biggest money is intraday by a country mile?? what am i missing???

    surf
     
    #1449     Aug 21, 2006
  10. Surf, I spoke in two completely different context of topics

    #1: John Henry has made billions from trend trading

    #2: apart and away from position trading like Henry and others, intraday trading as many of us prefer is likewise most profitable when traders ride the directional swings rather than attempts to "scalp" the wiggles and blips counter to those short-term intraday trends.

    One example had nothing to do with the other, sorry about that confusion :>)
     
    #1450     Aug 21, 2006
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