Transactions Per Day : Visa 150Million / BTC 0.6Million

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by Nobert, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. Nobert

    Nobert

    Really ?

    Isn't it's the mining responsible for main energy consumption and isn't it responsible for, -

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    So, all of it, will be disrupted ?

    A new way is found, a LIGHTNING NETWORK, with what, dozens of times faster transactions, to fulfill the global need of bitcoin transactions ?

    And anything mining related, as we know it now today, will loose 90% of it's value, since a superior way of doing the same is created ?

    Where do i buy puts on BTC mining companies.
    Edit :
    sinse, their main assets is warehouses/mining rigs (away from ,,talent")
     
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    #11     Jun 24, 2022
  2. johnarb

    johnarb

    You keep missing the crucial word number as in NUMBER of transactions. If you still don't get it, ok, stay ignorant, but I've posted lengthy posts. Re-read them to understand or don't

    Buy puts on mining companies, MARA, RIOT, HUT on the stock market. You can't even figure that out??
     
    #12     Jun 24, 2022
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  3. Nobert

    Nobert

    No john, i can't. When it comes to numbers im not smart enough.

    But maybe you can.

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    #13     Jun 24, 2022
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  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    Ahhh, so that's how it works, you bring up something unrelated??

    Ok, Nobert, but what are you going to do when BTC goes above $70k, $100k, $500k, will you still keep posting that picture you saved?

    By the way, you really love that picture, lmao. You have no idea how happy I am to bring you that joy :D:D:D
     
    #14     Jun 24, 2022
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  5. ph1l

    ph1l

    It seems the Lightning Network would need to essentially be centralized among large hubs to scale.

     
    #15     Jun 24, 2022
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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    Medium article as Mathematical proof from 2017??

    Dude, here's what the lightning network looks like in production and growing like crazy!! crazy is a technical term in case you did not know

    https://1ml.com/
     
    #16     Jun 24, 2022
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  7. ph1l

    ph1l

    https://1ml.com has
    https://1ml.com/node?order=capacity has
    for the top 12 nodes by capacity. A summary of the capacity is
    Code:
    node 0 10.857% total 10.857%
    node 1 7.112% total 17.969%
    node 2 6.995% total 24.964%
    node 3 4.782% total 29.746%
    node 4 3.776% total 33.522%
    node 5 3.278% total 36.8%
    node 6 3.121% total 39.921%
    node 7 2.564% total 42.485%
    node 8 2.129% total 44.614%
    node 9 1.977% total 46.591%
    node 10 1.900% total 48.491%
    node 11 1.767% total 50.258%
    
    Those top 12 nodes are 0.0679694% of the total number of nodes (12 / 17,655 * 100), but they have more than 50% of the network's capacity. That appears to be very centralized, just like the medium article predicted.
     
    #17     Jun 24, 2022
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  8. Overnight

    Overnight

    I think we need to just forget fuck-all about what BTC is, and listen to the market. It is now proxy to the NDX. And the BTC is kinda' like the NDX, it is hovering at a bottom.

    The NDX is a bit more squirrely, but BTC is hanging onto the 20K level well. It dipped to 18K last weekend for a bit, but came right back up this week. That smells like a bottom to me. If it can maintain that level through fed rate in mid July, smells like a buy, because the rest of the markets will follow same trajectory.
     
    #18     Jun 24, 2022
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  9. johnarb

    johnarb

    Let's attack this from a different angle
    • Have you ever used the Bitcoin LN for transactions? I have over several dozen times so far
    • Do you run a LN node? I do with 15 channels of varying capacity, total capacity last time I looked was 35M satoshis (I'm out of town currently and no access to my node)
    • You've latched on to the network capacity as your argument that the LN is centralized, do you know what that means and how is it relevant to your decentralized vs centralized argument?
    • And finally, let me ask you, I don't want to assume but what is the downside of the the LN if it's centralized? Then I'll respond to you
     
    #19     Jun 25, 2022
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  10. Nobert

    Nobert

    I can't even follow, what some of those pro-crypto folk write/their answers. If that's intentional, kudos for them. They're good at it.
    They drop an ,,contra argument"
    You read it once.
    You read it twice
    Then ,,Wait .. What ... ? o_O"

    It's one of the sociopathic traits, where they make you to question your own logic.



    Back to the roots.
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/how-to-manipulate-any-crypto.366795/

    Same s wrapped in a different candy foil.

    But your article is back from 2017. Before the first euphoria. As if it was left as a Plan B, to fight off the blame of slow transactions. Because transaction amount was irrelevant back then.

    And yet, average crypto investor, they don't care, as it can be seen in here :
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-next-luna-ponzi-scheme.367943/

    Why to bother thyself with all of this info, when you can simply flip your 3k to 72 000.
     
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    #20     Jun 25, 2022