Trading with a Stop Loss in the Futures Market is for Losers

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by emg, Jun 20, 2011.

  1. Fullauto was probably talking about using options to hedge a futures position.

    The other thing i've seen people do, (which was just mentioned in fact), is to abandon stops and use tiny position size instead, so that big moves don't hurt too much, and you can average in.
    Kind of pointless, though. ROI might be better off in a high interest bank account!
     
    #521     Sep 13, 2013
  2. That too. Hedging is a relatively complex activity involving several components and which must be supervised algorithmically. It can include proper use of protective option configurations, multiple strategy layers with different and complementary scalping games, appropriate use of cointegrations, size calibration, diversification, dynamic capital reallocation, folio management, and so on. And, as far as I know this is the only robust way to achieve *systematic* profitability (in the role of a "market taker").

    (If one trade only 1 futures with small capital, and no other instruments, that's rather a form of gambling, and there is not much you can do about it to turn systematically profitable. Just rely and on your information, and hope for the best.)
     
    #522     Sep 13, 2013
  3. Visaria

    Visaria

    Sounds expensive too :D

     
    #523     Sep 13, 2013
  4. Losing $$$ also sounds pretty expensive. Especially with futures :D
     
    #524     Sep 13, 2013
  5. toolazy

    toolazy

    i have spent lots of time holding positions and couple of times...

    market changed behaviour in instant in a shocking way so one just freezes.

    I duno what else can save you from going under in such a case except:

    - small position
    - stop

    playing small position is waste of time, so I always have stop.

    And always measure performance of stops. and definitely pays. Of course, I do not put stop under most recent low or just under tl or 5c under pivot xxx.
     
    #525     Sep 13, 2013
  6. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    Having an exit plan is a mental stop, thus a stop...
     
    #526     Sep 14, 2013
  7. What a load of baloaney lol
     
    #527     Sep 14, 2013
  8. Thats like saying if I see a cliff I'll just drive faster and put less people in my car ha ha
     
    #528     Sep 14, 2013
  9. Jaydom

    Jaydom

    If you don't use a stop, you don't know what the hell you are doing. Simple as that.
     
    #529     Sep 22, 2013
  10. ras72

    ras72

    I've come to the same conclusion as emg. Stops are for wimps ...and for those who don't know any better.

    - ras72
     
    #530     Oct 7, 2013