Trading with a Stop Loss in the Futures Market is for Losers

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by emg, Jun 20, 2011.

  1. Now that it is over, it is obvious :D
     
    #471     May 15, 2013
  2. I use stops, I'm small, but still made $170 today - how come???
     
    #472     May 15, 2013
  3. Ever thought about forming an own opinion about anything?
     
    #473     May 15, 2013
  4. Market can be extremely manipulated. Searching and hunting stops.

    Just today I had the price follow up my stop each time i moved it for 15 minutes. Price NEVER moves the way it did, it made NO sense in this history of 4 years I've been trading futures. Quite obvious - why even play a rigged game.

    I knew price would come crashing down ANY second.

    The second it hit my stop, the price came crashing down in my direction. Fucking bullshit really.

    I'm done with stops. I'll have a mental 3pt stop from now on, because the hunters hunt. I'll blow out this account soon and thats that. hft ruined trading.

    bitch ass whores. bout to throw in this towel and go back to pepsi truck driving, steady pay less stress.
     
    #474     May 17, 2013
  5. You got it. MMs are making their profits, given the the incoming order flow.

    They would screw most they can, statistically speaking. And if the "real" liquidity is scarce (apart the fake transactions to create the feeling of liquidity), there is really no game.

    The entry / take profit / take loss trading scheme is simply a slot machine, which rapidly sucks all the coins you put in it.

    A "grand scheme" is needed to make $$$... a totally different approach ...
     
    #475     May 17, 2013
  6. My grand scheme is explained here on <a href="http://www.datatime.eu/public/gbot/strategies.htm">this page</a>, and i also have a few test journals here on ET, that you can browse.

    Example: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3517512

    However, being "grand", actually it requires some very decent capital.

    [ In general, for small capital, I just suggest to enjoy the $$$ elsewhere ;-)) it's the best thing to do! ]
     
    #476     May 17, 2013
  7. bau250

    bau250

    MM as in money managers OR market makers?
     
    #477     May 17, 2013
  8. yep, the latter.
     
    #478     May 17, 2013
  9. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    With so many computer programs in the markets, putting actual stops is asking for trouble i.e. they too know where the most likely places for the stops are, combat that with setting alerts rather than stops.
     
    #479     May 17, 2013
  10. Well, I feel no pity for traders that put absolute stop losses instead of relative ones, as these are surely gonna be eaten by almost equally simple predatory traders.
     
    #480     May 17, 2013