Trading with a Stop Loss in the Futures Market is for Losers

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by emg, Jun 20, 2011.

  1. the1

    the1

    This is a great instrument if you know how to trade it. The volatility in this market can be fantastic!

     
    #251     Jul 6, 2011
  2. cornix

    cornix

    Those are bad traders who "think". :D

    We should not think, we should see and know when there is a certain probability of a certain action of the market and act accordingly.

    When there's none, the market seems random to us but may at the same time look like a proven pattern to other traders.

    It's all the matter of information we possess about market conditions and actions.
     
    #252     Jul 6, 2011
  3. cornix

    cornix

    OMG, is that Woodie's CCI i see on the bottom of your chart? :D
     
    #253     Jul 6, 2011
  4. For all I know, the market action which leads to my setup and the timing of the setup actually triggering could be random, but I know with as much certainty as one can know something about the market that what follows the triggering of the setup is not random. My actual hypothesis is that the setup actually works down at lower timeframes as well, which would mean they also are not random, but isn't actionable on them, at least not in any way that I want to pursue.
     
    #254     Jul 6, 2011
  5. cornix

    cornix

    If you trade your setup, that means that it has an edge and thus is not just a random bet, right?
     
    #255     Jul 6, 2011
  6. Yes, the results are better than random, but my experience has been that I can't possibly predict the timing of the setup nor it's being triggered, though. Not that doing so would matter, because even if I could predict it, I would still have to observe a specific sequence of events to take action, because it's more important to react than predict.
     
    #256     Jul 7, 2011
  7. cornix

    cornix

    Right, we cannot predict what the market exactly will do, but we can know odds of it doing something in the case our setup occurs.

    And that is the reason we take those setups: because when we see them, we know odds are not random, but are shifted in our favor.
     
    #257     Jul 7, 2011
  8. emg

    emg

    you should post this on your wall:

    More than 90% of small traders lose. They just lose!
     
    #258     Jul 7, 2011
  9. cornix

    cornix

    More than 90% of janitors do not fail, they do their job OK and are paid regular salary.

    But is that decent career? :D
     
    #259     Jul 7, 2011
  10. emg

    emg

    Mcjobs get paid more than those 90% of small traders lose. Even a homeless man begging for money gets paid more than those 90% of losers.

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    #260     Jul 7, 2011