Trading while trying to lose weight on Atkins

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 16, 2003.

  1. "bodybuilders" in general hold more myths and misconceptions than most. they do however know how to stack roids.
     
    #441     Sep 16, 2003
  2. you look queer for steriods
     
    #442     Sep 16, 2003
  3. better not get me pissed...you won't like me when im pissed
     
    #443     Sep 16, 2003
  4. i don't think i like you now :p
     
    #444     Sep 16, 2003
  5. Andre

    Andre

    Mr. Mahgee, Bill Bixby, no Lou... please, try to get along.
     
    #445     Sep 16, 2003
  6. Andre

    Andre

    and the food pyramid is not going out the window... it is being revised as it should be with new forthcoming new data and knowledge but not in direction of cranks like atkins.

    According to a report I heard on NPR the other day, the scientific community is pretty split on how to change the food pyramid. But that's science, isn't it? Take milk? I'm not bashing it, but we forget that the milk campaign in this country was started when nutrition was still poor and availability of pasteurized milk was just becoming the norm. Milk was a cheap way to feed the population.

    Now, however... our health as a nation, sanitation, clean drinking water, access to fruit and veggies year round means our overall health has vastly improved.

    And to suggest that milk might not be best for the body, especially in regards to dairy allergies...? It's practically heresy.

    The main thing people go back to regarding milk, for example, is calcium. But cripes, calcium does exist elsewhere. Our child was breastfed for 27 months, and all the doctors were worried about was iron, iron, iron.. because, well breasfed babies don't get the iron supplements that formula fed babies do. Well, cripes, there's molasses, broccoli and leafy green veggies for iron (if we really need to panic about it-which I don't think we do).

    all suggest that the healthiest diets are low in fat (10% of calories or less) and low in protein (5 to 7% depending on which paper you read).

    Remember, as I alluded to regarding milk... many organizations (like World Health organization and The United Nations) are first going to be concerned with feeding the population with the cheapest food that packs the most nutritional punch. Feeding a starving nation with poor water and sanitation is far different than feeding a nation of excess.

    Meat costs alot to raise, factor in growing population, less land, and the end of rural farms and sustainable agriculture on a small scale, the poor depend more on grain products produced by others than meat and veggies they grow/gather/harvest themselves.

    The international aid agencies and corporate contributors take all these things into account when creating public policy... from dietary guidelines to creating the food pyramid. The recommendation to follow them, or revaluate them shouldn't be seen as sinister. But alas, both usually are.

    André
     
    #446     Sep 16, 2003
  7. Andre:

    You hit on something that drives me nuts about the so called science community.....everyone NOW agrees that the Pyramid was wrong and needs to be 'adjusted".....but in the 80's and early 90's if you made these statements you were called ignorant ....so now you have the same science people blindly saying " atkins is not heathy and we think it may lead to this or that".....and we are supposed to just believe again?
     
    #447     Sep 16, 2003


  8. For excessive types, I believe that this approach is one of the best available.

    http://www.pritikin.com/approach/intro.htm
     
    #448     Sep 16, 2003
  9. You are correct. And most doctors hold more myths and misconceptions than others. They tend to be slow to accept new information, scurvy and citrus are an example.

    I'm all natural and do not recommend roids. The training techniques to accomplish goals in the two camps are quite different.

    If Americans would just stop consuming fat with their carbs they would make progress, but carbs are still the challenge.
     
    #449     Sep 16, 2003
  10. By Patrice Green, M.D., and Allison Lee Solin
    Heavy cream, bacon, pork rinds, beef, cheese, and butter—all contributors to long-term obesity, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other diseases—are lately being marketed as "miracle" diet and health foods. It's a money-making ploy if there ever was one. Unfortunately, Americans seem to be eating it up by the pound.

    What we're talking about is the popular "Atkins Diet"—a plan crafted to appeal to the public's need for shortcuts and quick fixes. Robert Atkins tells his patients and readers what they want to hear: that carbohydrates (which include fresh fruits and vegetables) are making them fat, and that generous amounts of protein and fat will keep them thin. He insists that "carbs" are responsible for high cholesterol levels, obesity, and other health problems, though cholesterol only occurs in animal products, and most high-carb foods are low in fat.

    Sales of Atkins' book have risen, as have U.S. cattle and pig prices. Pork rinds, the only fried snack the diet allows, have climbed in popularity by more than 15 percent in one year. The staggering numbers of those who have jumped on the high-protein, high-fat bandwagon portend disastrous health consequences.

    This protein load can damage the kidneys and leach calcium from the bones. The dearth of fiber disrupts the digestive tract. George Blackburn, director of the Center for the Study of Nutrition and Medicine at Boston's Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and a researcher who studies high-protein diets, points out other annoyingly common side effects: bad breath, constipation, fatigue, nausea, dizziness, irritability, and lightheadedness.

    Somehow Atkins ignores the many population studies, notably the Framingham Heart Study, showing diets high in meat and saturated fat increase risks for problems such as heart disease, colon cancer, prostate cancer, diabetes, hypertension, osteoporosis, obesity, and a shortened lifespan. He also ignores the fact that the planet's thinnest people live in Asia, where rice, noodles, and other high-carbohydrate foods are staples. When Asians abandon those foods in favor of McDonald's and other Western fare, obesity becomes commonplace. Research studies show that, on average, people switching to a vegetarian diet lose an average of 10 percent of their body weight. In fact, without limiting calories at all, a vegan diet (free of all animal products) trims about one pound per week. Weight loss on a meat- and dairy-free diet occurs even in the absence of beneficial exercise and without shunning pasta, rice, bread, or even the occasional cookie.

    To someone like Atkins, a vegetarian diet apparently is out of the question. But how would he explain the fact that heart attacks are the most common form of death in the United States, and yet the risk of heart attack for a man consuming a non-meat diet is cut dramatically? And what would Atkins say about vegetarians having one-third the incidence of colon cancer as meat-eaters?

    It's no surprise that the American Dietetic Association has called the Atkins Diet "a nightmare," or that thousands of doctors and dietitians are speaking out against this irresponsible medicine. As it turns out, the Atkins Diet only works when dieters also cut calories. The regimen is a throwback to old low-calorie diets of the 1970s. They promised plenty, but delivered only temporary weight loss.

    Those who are serious about taking off pounds, keeping them off, and improving overall health should know that carbs actually boost overall metabolism. Foods rich in complex carbohydrates, such as rice, pasta, fruits, vegetables, and beans, help the thyroid gland burn calories more efficiently.

    Americans don't need bogus and potentially dangerous diet plans to lose weight and stay healthy. They just need to follow good, old-fashioned common sense: cut fat and cholesterol, add fresh fiber-rich foods, exercise regularly, get familiar with vegetarian foods, and never fear carbs again.

    Patrice Green, J.D., M.D., an attorney and a board-certified internist practicing medicine in Baltimore, is a member of the Washington, D.C.-based Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, founded in 1985. Allison Lee Solin is a health writer in Santa Barbara, California.
     
    #450     Sep 16, 2003