Trading the Plan

Discussion in 'Journals' started by studentofthemarkets, May 27, 2022.

  1. What I want my trading to look like is following a list of rules and sticking to the rules. I don't want to leave much to my subjective thinking, but I do need to be able to discern if price is following the behavior that my rules are based on. One thing that I've been struggling with is not having clear if/then scenarios written out so that I am not sure if I'm following my rules or not, so I have been trying to fix that, it's just been a long process of trying to get more rules. However, I talked more with my family member and we came up with a plan that I will have a binder with many lists of rules. I will have rules about journaling, I will have rules about reviewing the day, I will have rules about the mechanics of trading such as when to begin and end and do prep work, I will have rules about consciously being aware of and journaling where price is at in the bigger time frame of things, and after watching this video, that means not only if/then scenarios, but also what I will not be interested in trading. I will have rules about the bigger picture of what needs to be in place when stalking a trade and finally, I will have rules right in front of me with a checklist to mark for whether or not I followed my bigger picture rules along with the fine tuning quick list of rules that result in pressing the button. I will also have rules on my mental state: am I sleepy or alert, have I become "numb" to caring about being precise in my entries--usually from staring at the charts too long and finally one main rule: that I can't lose more than my allowed amount per trade or day. You'd think all of those things are so obvious that it shouldn't be hard to follow them, but I have really struggled in all these areas and come to see myself as lacking self-control. In general, I have had the hardest time with self-control except when I have built good habits built around following something I strongly believe is in my best interest. For example, many years ago I used to move my stop loss farther back if price went closer to it. I had to work really, really hard to overcome that tendency and now I rarely struggle with it, not because I don't think a trade might work if I gave it a little more room, but because I remember the struggle I had to overcome it and I remember that I struggled to overcome it because it was ruining my trading and I knew if I didn't stop I'd end in disaster. That might be the only thing I have really conquered emotionally in trading, but it does give me hope that there is hope for me because I have a problem with revenge trading and a few other things centering around being disciplined while trading and in my approach to trading that I have to overcome in order to be a profitable trader. There have been times where I've wondered if I just don't have the self-control necessary to be a trader, and that is still yet to be determined. I think the points made in the video give really good suggestions that can help with overcoming these problem areas. My family member is willing to act as a coach for a while for me, which means sharing my trading plan with him (when I finish it) and going over each trade at the end of the day, but most importantly, for being accountable to not losing more money per day than my allowed loss. In some ways, it's like working under a manager instead of working for myself and just knowing that this will be the plan for the next month or so has already helped me to work harder at finding what I need to be working hard at.

    In case nobody noticed, I think best when I'm typing out my thoughts, so much of my journaling is me putting my thoughts on paper, as is the case tonight!

    Thanks to both of you for sharing your thoughts on how you view trading!
     
    #91     Jun 26, 2022
  2. I'm not going to spend my time writing a journal. Ugggh.
    What is the purpose of that? Am I bragging, or trying to sell a service or course or subscription?

    And more importantly, I have absolutely zero desire to give away my process. Unlike most people, I truly believe I have something worthwhile....Gold in my head. And it's only My gold.

    Trading the S&P, every day. If someone can do that....that would be worth more than a million dollars easily,
     
    #92     Jun 26, 2022
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    There's a song for that. You just don't get it.

     
    #93     Jun 26, 2022
  4. In combat you have little time to be philosophical, it's the same with trading. You make a plan, and you execute blindly, regroup, debrief after.
     
    #94     Jun 26, 2022
  5. I hope you are only referring to a public journal. If you think writing a private journal or some record of analysis of the market and your responses to market behavior is a waste of your time then I couldn't disagree more. If it's working for you, then great! I'm happy for you! Journaling has been my key that unlocks the door to learning to trade.

    Just curious, what has unlocked trading for you? Are you really able to consistently be profitable by just reading a chart well? If so, that is an amazing ability you have! I wish you the best of luck!
     
    #95     Jun 26, 2022
  6. Not trading related...well, I guess it could be in terms of remembering to be thankful for all the kind traders that help out the struggling traders! (I didn't search for this video, just popped up now as a suggestion, but it is a good video to start of today with!)

     
    #96     Jun 26, 2022
  7. nursebee

    nursebee

    Thoughts
    1. If in the mindset of "student of the markets" you have already failed. Always learn, but stop being the student.
    2. I get the discipline issues. I don't think you have suffered enough to change. You are getting exactly what you want from the market (Seykota?)
    3. Rules rules rules blah blah blah. You can't rule yourself into success with so many of them.

    I expect that your failure comes from a much deeper issue, as I expect is true for many people. I advocate for taking a step back from the markets for a while and think of the following.

    1. Come up with big picture goals, specific. Most people are way too general on big picture goals, as in I want some money, I want to trade. My early on goal from maybe 20 years ago was to have 3M.

    2. Decide on the best methods to achieve the above goals. Brainstorm.

    3. Do those things.

    4. Evaluate

    5. Adapt.

    Discussion: I suspect people decide on trading as a method before having a goal. They then twist this into the goal when it is really a method. By being committed to this method and think of it as a goal, they then fail to do the other requirements. Perhaps you are here?

    I had to hurt an awful lot, perhaps even suffer depression before I adapted enough to reach where I am today.
     
    #97     Jun 26, 2022
  8. ph1l

    ph1l

    The kangaroo used too much leverage and needed a bailout.:)
     
    #98     Jun 26, 2022
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  9. You and I have different styles of day trading.
    I assume you're a Scalper. You react to a completely fixed set of variables. You must have a very linear, robotic, flat mind.

    I, on the otherhand, I aim to realize, understand and capture the one, big, main, obvious move of the day on the S&P chart.

    Completely different things you and I do.
    You're more of a foot solider mercenary, while I'm a sniper on a high hill or mountain top with binoculars observing very patiently.
     
    #99     Jun 26, 2022
  10. A lot of questioning, and a lot of just observing, and a lot of time. Then one day, I realized....how all the pieces of the earthly, universe, puzzle....mix, and dance and jive with one another. Understanding its, likely, impulses and expectations, and assumptions, and variables.

    I don't claim to be a f'n Prophet. I'm human, sure, I make mistakes. But overall in the end, I would personally say I have a high degree of accuracy and skill, edge, and understanding to my approach.

    The most successful people, in life, tend to do things their own way. Discover their own way. Not by just following another deadbeat, typical, standard, common method.
     
    #100     Jun 26, 2022
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