trading option pitchforks

Discussion in 'Options' started by atticus, Jun 18, 2012.

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  1. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    Nice. I understand how you quote possible trades now, I assume data visualization is important to you...only question is what do you look for in the quotes/data, but I guess that's the "secret sauce"
     
    #61     Jun 20, 2012
  2. The 45 strike was my best guess at a VWAP over the hold. A drop in stat-vol under a flat to down scenario. I won't short vol if I am short direction unless it's a skew-fly and that would require a larger delta position. I think there is edge in the rollover on the calendar as well as the Jul06 expiration (NFP).
     
    #62     Jun 20, 2012
  3. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    That makes sense. 1345 based on WVAP, expiries based on rollover edge and long vol based on downside directional bias or flat, so there is directional bias in this spesific trade, if I read right? Anyways, makes sense.
     
    #63     Jun 20, 2012
  4. Well where a prediction of VWAP will be over that duration. I suppose vol-edge is traded as neutral as possible, but usually there is some initial deltas. The vol on tenor is wrong on the trade into rollover and NFP.

    Always glad to help a fellow Scandi, even a NOR.
     
    #64     Jun 20, 2012
  5. It does now, but not at 1357.
     
    #65     Jun 20, 2012
  6. Just saying that it was not my intent to add a lot of delta exposure. I am still ~neutral in the position. You can earn in short vol in short gamma. I wouldn't have chosen the calendar if I had wanted a touch of 1335.
     
    #66     Jun 20, 2012
  7. For a touch of 35? Sure. Duration, vol, speed. Pick two.

    You lose gamma/vega sensitivity as the trade goes in your favor. There are thousands of permutations. Risk-reversal was probably the best ROC, but the haircut would be an issue. The best payoff/gamma was probably an ATM fly (00/25/50).
     
    #67     Jun 20, 2012
  8. It's an additional penny (in comms) over the vertical. You can get the fly a dime to a quarter off of mid. It's not an issue for anyone who trads a lot of flies. Pay $8.00 for a fly, $0.20 in -edge and an add'l $0.01 in comms.
     
    #68     Jun 20, 2012
  9. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    Thanks, yeah I see what you're saying. And "even" a nor huh.... barely even scandinavian in the mind of a swede :p
     
    #69     Jun 20, 2012
  10. JK, we're jealous of all the oil.
     
    #70     Jun 20, 2012
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