This board is as volatile and unpredictable as the market itself. It takes great dedication, stamina, thick skin and professionalism to stay with it. Some people have it some don't. Being good at what you do is great, but if you are not whole... If it is within you to give and share your knowledge - do it - we want it. But don't expect anything in return - no thanks, no admiration, no applause. If you truly want to give - nothing else will matter. Taking easy way out - earns no respect.
Chartwiz, I guess I just don't get it. You seem like a nice guy, you obviously are prepared to spend a lot of your time answering questions and educating people. Certainly you made a lot of friends here, and people seemed to appreciate your efforts. Viewed in the worst possible light, ie. that you were just doing all this to publicize your site, I'd say you were very successful. You found any skepticism very distasteful apparently, but honestly, I didn't see it detracting from your efforts.
Miki, Taking easy way out - earns no respect. I disagree completely with your insinuation - Chartwiz wasn't taking the "easy way out", he was simply fed up with the badgering, tone and attitude of a number of people here. Let's see, he's an established successful trader personally trained by Linda Bradford Raschke and he co-sponsors a chatroom with her. Were the folks here actually contributing to his trading, or was he trying to contribute to theirs by posting links to free information, free charts, free videos... On Chartwiz' thread, so far dufferdon has posted on pgs. 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 18, 27, 28, 29. Hmmm, almost appears to be a fixation. Some of the highlights: [pg. 10] At least my question gave you another chance to plug your chatroom. [pg. 11] it seems to me that the thread was started to draw attention to your commercial chat room...The message in question was the 7th or 8th by you with a link to your commercial chat room and seemed like a particularly trite and trivial contribution as a futher effort to continue to draw attention on your commerical chat room. Note: the links, with lots of free information, were to Chartwiz' website, not a chatroom. [pg. 17] grow up, become more professional, get a thicker skin and drop the whiney "poor-me" attitude so evident in your posts...Whether or not you return to the board is on no consequence to me [pg. 18] the appartment was not what I expected from someone who successfully trades hundreds of thousands of shares per day. Let's see, 400,000 shares per day, 200 days per year, 1 cent per share = $800,000. Perhaps the revenue from the web site will make a difference...the continuing highlighting of commercial sites by their owners in public discussion groups is simply spam. Some spam is just more blatant than others. Too bad Chartwiz is gone, as his contributions were appreciated by the majority of members here (as evidenced by the poll). But I don't blame him in the least for deciding to no longer put up with this nonsense. Life's too short.
>On Chartwiz' thread, so far dufferdon has posted >on pgs. 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 18, 27, 28, 29. >Hmmm, almost appears to be a fixation. And by my count Magna, you have more posts on this thread than even dufferdon. Is that a "fixation" fixation you've got? JB
Magna, Dufferdon could have been a bit more circumspect but he has as much right to post here as anyone else, including Chartwiz. In fairness, most of dufferdon's posts came after Chartwiz lectured him on what a miserable human being he must be. Also, I still fail to see what was so awful about dufferdon's questions. Certainly Don Bright took far worse and turned it around and ended up with a lot of respect. I didn't see anything wrong with the stuff on Chartwiz's site, but neither was it exactly the key to the bankvault. Some of his claims were nonsense, ie 70-80% patterns, which he couldn't back up when asked. In fact, he had trouble backing up anything, including his claims to be a big time highly profitable trader. He may well be for all I know, and more power to him if he is. He certainly was not under any obligation to prove anything to us, but his way of handling questions invites suspiscion.
Miki: âIf it is within you to give and share your knowledge - do it - we want it. But don't expect anything in return - no thanks, no admiration, no applause.â Are you kidding? Applause aside, I just don't understand this type of attitude. It's one of the reasons experienced traders don't want to share with other traders. No respect. My thoughts are not intended as a reflection on the dufferdon/Chartwiz situation. I only wanted to address Mikiâs comments. I sincerely appreciate the many well thought-out posts by AAA, Turok, WarEagle, dufferdon, and others Iâm sure Iâve forgotten. Regardless as to whether I agree or disagree with each of them, they all make for an interesting, thought-provoking read.
Turok, And by my count Magna, you have more posts on this thread than even dufferdon. Is that a "fixation" fixation you've got? It's embarrassing that they let people be traders when they don't know how to count. Not including this response to you, dufferdon had more posts on this thread than me (and a couple of mine were discussing candlesticks), so you might want to brush up on your math. But the really interesting thing is that you have more posts on this thread than either one of us! Is that a fixation on a fixation on a fixation? And that doesn't even count your upcoming response ... My point still stands, and I'm glad Chartwiz stopped putting up with this nonsense. And this is my last post on this thread.
"Let's see, he's an established successful trader ........" Say's who? In the absence of proof he could just as well be a very marginal of even unsuccessful trader who has turned to running a chatroom as a means of making a living and capitalizing on his connections. I don't know one way or the other and neither does almost everyone else here. In the absence of continuing authenticated results who's to tell? That is the thrust of one or my arguments in this thread. Seeing as you started counting my posts and Turok has counted yours, I see that chartwhiz has links to his free educational site which happens to be associated with a commercial chatroom (if you wish me to be precise) on pgs 1, 2(3times), 3, 4, 7, 9, 10(twice) 22(4 times) 27, and 28 for a total of 16, not to mention his email address and publicity of his upcoming magazine articles and his personal appearance. I was on Silicon Investor today and noticed he started similar activities there before he came here. He was also challenged there before I even knew of him on the issue of drawing attention to commerial activities in a discussion group. So, it's not as if he didn't know people are sensitive to this issue. Why, even the second post in this thread raised the same flags and it wasn't me. He was brought to this site by Brandonf who has also drawn attention to himself and his commercial activities by running his own thread(s) on Silicon Investor and was supported by Toni (Brandon's partner, who may even have joined ET just for this purpose) and by ChrisRT (who, if I guess his identity correctly) does the same thing there with his partner Threei. Here's an example of Brandon's latest contribution there. "Just a quick general announcement that the new site is just about ready for official launch, and though I will have less to do with this one than I have in the past, Toni will still be around and she does a great job. The site is at http://www.tradingfrommainstreet.com " This gives the flavour of how these things develop. Brandon too started out just being helpful. See my point about where does one draw the line between education and promotion? How many vendors should we have here "educating" us? Where do we draw the line between those who are credible ( they are not all trained by LBR you know) and those who are not? Who decides? I would second the view expressed earlier that Baron could set up a separate section where all the commercial vendors can have their own threads and competitively tout their wares and skills, run question and answer services and generally be helpful. But I think they should all pay Baron for the priviledge and only Baron should be able to ban critics and sceptics. Then they would be behaving like professional commercial enterprises and we would all know where they are coming from. It still wouldn't remove my concern about documented trading results though. I don't even mind them contributing to other discussions where people are seeking advice. I would object though if all their replies started with " if you click this link.....", directing people to their own commercial sites. Other vendors manage to conduct themselves with decorum here and I don't think you can find a post of mine that attacks their conduct (not credibility). But, in my opinion Chartwiz did not.
>Not including this response to you, dufferdon >had more posts on this thread than me Ahh yes. My bad. A more time consuming count does reveal that it was 10 to 11 in favor of dufferdon. My humblest apologies. The disparity between the number of posts from the two of you hardly seems to warrant your amateurish attempt to psychoanalyze. >But the really interesting thing is that you have >more posts on this thread than either one of us! >Is that a fixation on a fixation on a fixation? The only thing interesting there is your demonstration of challenged logic. It is you and not I who threw out an obtuse slur regarding the number of posts of a fellow member while you yourself were guilty of an almost exact number of post. Unlike you, I say 'post away' and thus the number of post from me does not demonstrate hypocrasy. (and out of respect for Magna, I'll join him in the post boycot) JB
Yes! We (Baron) should find ways of keeping as wide a spectrum of traders up here as possible, even the one's we are skeptical about. With respect to Chartwiz, I really don't understand why he didn't just start a more specific thread related to his specific trading techniques and site, nor why it is that he couldn't take a bit of criticism from thoughtful members of a FREE PUBLIC message board. I thought traders were supposed to be tough guys who could take getting beat up once in a while With respect to this thread and its awesome title, "Trading Methods and Techniques", someone please kill it before it gets any more embarassing for ET...