trading futures

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by Mdtbyk, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. cvds16

    cvds16

    you'd better ask yourself: 'what can go right with this strategy' ?
    it's not a strategy; it's just people (beginners) fooling themselves ...
     
    #11     Feb 1, 2017
  2. Mdtbyk

    Mdtbyk

    thanks i am a beginner :) and thats why i am asking why is not right to do it, and why is it fooling myself? i don't have the expirence thats why am asking you guys to learn thanks
     
    #12     Feb 1, 2017
  3. cvds16

    cvds16

    I you hedge a position (like described in forex) you don't really have a position: you are flat so you can't make money unless you 'unhedge' the position ... it just makes no sense, you might as well close your position and initiate a new position later ...
     
    #13     Feb 1, 2017
  4. Mdtbyk

    Mdtbyk

    thanks
     
    #14     Feb 1, 2017
  5. Trader13

    Trader13

    The biggest problem with this approach is that you won't react quickly enough to open a new hedge (in your example, going short a contract) in a fast moving or gapping market. You need to have your hedge solution already in place as part of your opening position. Of course, this approach has challenges of its own, but that's what makes trading not-so-easy.
     
    #15     Feb 1, 2017
  6. Mdtbyk

    Mdtbyk

    thats exactly what I'm looking for! so it won't help to place orders and stop losses on the positions that i have open ? that in case of gap or moving fast markets? but if you trade the es that are very volume that is not a problem no?
     
    #16     Feb 2, 2017
  7. MarkGroes

    MarkGroes

    Mdtbyk,
    Your strategy sounds good enough! What is a problem to test it on a short ES history?
    If you are beginner in trading and can't write the EL code, try to go it on paper by hand.
    It takes some time, but you'll really know "what can go wrong in such a trading style ?"
     
    #17     Feb 2, 2017
  8. speedo

    speedo

    Begin with the understanding that losses are inevitable.
     
    #18     Feb 2, 2017
  9. Trader13

    Trader13

    I'm not sure if I understand your reply. But if you're suggesting that the high volume in ES will ensure continuous pricing so that you get filled at your stop loss, that is not necessarily true. Slippage and price gaps occur in all markets. That's what makes options appealing, because they are anchored at their strike price. But protective put options are expensive, so that's the tradeoff.
     
    #19     Feb 3, 2017
  10. bone

    bone

    Turning an outright flat price loser into a "hedged position" never works out from my experience. In fact, it usually makes things much worse - plus, you'll not only have to margin the original stinker, you'll have to margin the "hedge".
     
    #20     Feb 3, 2017