Trading Edge

Discussion in 'Options' started by dreamer, Nov 18, 2002.

  1. Looks like you want something for free.
    You have to think out of the box.Read all the books you can afford to buy ant then ask yourself.What is not covered in those books?
    You have to stop to be a schmuck and become a mensch.
    Walter
     
    #11     Nov 19, 2002
  2. good one.lol
     
    #12     Nov 19, 2002
  3. Mispe

    Mispe

    I don't have a trading edge but a method of dealing with the market, it is not the same and I don't like the idea of "trading edge" that looks like the Casino gambler with his winning formula..
    I have no problem to divulge it. It is already done in the thread:
    Winning 20% yearly on a covered call portfolio .

    So I took the first step.
    And now, Dreamer what about you ?
     
    #13     Nov 19, 2002
  4. Dreamer, Have you ever played poker this way. Asking everyone else to show you their cards while you keep yours face down.
     
    #14     Nov 19, 2002
  5. D, Perhaps I misread what you wrote. I thought it was inconsistent but if you meant the above then you are probably correct. I still feel it may be somewhat ironic but perspective is truly everything.

    There is a good deal of valuable information on this site and I'm amused with the mix of perspectives and the witty cynicism. It would be nice to actually discuss trading more though.

    My edge I can divulge? Portfolio analysis of system trading using both non-directional and directional systems.

    Good trading.
     
    #15     Nov 19, 2002
  6. acrary

    acrary

    I use 7 edges with each having it's own system. I'm not going to post them, but if you're looking for ideas....

    Here's one I used in the SP futures market off of the put/call ratio. I haven't used it in years, so if you can use it or learn something from it...go for it.

    Putcall Rules

    Inputs:
    SP or ND daily continuous futures data
    OEX Put/Call Ratio - Pinnacle data file is oex-pc.csv

    Long Rule

    Go long tomorrow at open when the close of today's Put/Call ratio is less than 62% of the past 10 day average Put/Call ratio and one of the following is present:

    1. Today's range (high-low) is less than yesterday's range.

    2. The range of the (open - close) or (close - open) is 40% or less than the total range for today (high - low).

    Short Rule

    Go short tomorrow at open when the close of today's Put/Call ratio is more than 180% of the past 10 day average Put/Call ratio and one of the following is present:

    1. Today's range (high - low) is more than yesterday's range.

    2. The range of the (open - close) or (close - open) is more than 40% of the total range for today (high - low).

    Exit Rule

    Exit the position on the close of the day of entry

    Here's a current profit summary for one contract :
     
    #16     Nov 19, 2002
  7. To acrary,
    Great way to present system with results, thanks.
    Reasoning behind this system looks sound. For my temperament , trades are not frequent enough and profit on account is rather small.
    Do you have something more active ( 2-5 trades a week) what you are not using ?
    Walter
     
    #17     Nov 19, 2002
  8. acrary

    acrary

    Walther, I have a couple of daytrading systems that have been on the shelf awhile. I don't want to disclose the logic because I'm still using the underlying ideas.

    Here's another free system that trades using VIX and the Put/Call Ratio. I call it the Kung Fu System because it's desgned to take money away from mutual funds when the market moves from value. The VIX may be dying as a indicator and this system didn't do well during the first Gulf War, so it should be used for research at least until after the Iraq mess is cleared up.

    One thing of interest to options traders is when a trade is indicated, even if the direction is wrong, the volatility is systematically higher than would otherwise be indicated.
    I checked it as a predictor of future volatility and it was superior to using the implied volatility from the VIX.

    It's a self documenting spreadsheet of four combined trading systems. In the upper right is the year by year results along with year to date profit/loss. It's beaten the S&P by about 4X (up about 3300 SP points) and been profitable every year since the data started in 1989. It's got about 60% winners with about 600 trades listed. It's currently short the SP market since the Friday close.

    It can be updated with data from the CBOE website in the first few columns and then just drag and drop down the columns from above to update the day. It's about 4MB, so be sure you want it.

    http://home.neb.rr.com/futuresstuff/GIVE.XLS

    Here's a snapshot of part of the summary to help you figure out if you want it:
     
    #18     Nov 19, 2002
  9. dreamer

    dreamer

    Actually, when I play poker, nobody sees my cards unless they pay to do so. If they wish to show me theirs, so be it.
     
    #19     Nov 19, 2002
  10. PKJR

    PKJR

    I am not sure if Acrary or my system is good or bad....but talking about an edge - it took me 2hrs to design the system that trades SP (without optimizing it). Probably this is not a 'good' system because on average it produces 2-3 pts a day and it has some other drawbacks..I know that some of you can make better than that :)

    One contract in SP e mini producing over 35K a year - making 1 trade a day (after commission no slippage) with avg win 3x the loss

    After making money the first year, if you only traded on contract per 20k and started with 40k account the same system produces 350k per year and traded 10 contracts max (equivalent to 2 big SP)

    -pkjr
     
    #20     Nov 19, 2002