Trading Catechism

Discussion in 'Trading' started by nitro, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    #261     Jun 4, 2016
  2. nitro

    nitro

    #262     Jun 11, 2016
  3. nitro

    nitro

    #263     Jun 14, 2016
  4. nitro

    nitro

     
    #264     Jun 14, 2016
  5. noddyboy

    noddyboy

    Very interesting. Thanks for the share.

    I saw the complex order types. I really don't think we should have more than just LMT and MKT.
    Why have order types that say "passively follow the bid and cross against market orders, but cancel if there is a sweep order blah blah blah blah"?
     
    #265     Jun 14, 2016
  6. nitro

    nitro

    Code:
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    0.1 0.3 0.2 0.1 0 -0.1 0.2 0.1 -0.1 0 -0.2 0.1 0.4 ?
    
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    1.1 0.1 -0.9 -1.8 -1.1 -0.3 -0.6 -1.2 -1.3 -0.5 0.4 0.7 1.4
    
     
    #266     Jun 14, 2016
  7. nitro

    nitro

    Without me turning into a conspiracy theorist and just being a computer scientist, in general terms you want to push the complexity of a system as far down the decision making point as possible. It is far more efficient for the exchange to have to keep track of these complexities, once, instead of every algo developer each time. The exchanges integrity is more likely to suffer less that way. Exchange programmers tend to be very good. Algo system builders less so.

    Further, generally you want orders that are managed at the server - this reduces latency since you don't have to continuously cancel/replace orders increasing bandwidth needs, and of course it is more fault tolerant. So instead of canceling orders, you are canceling algorithms. Far more efficient, and the right level of abstraction.

    There are lots of good reasons for many of these order types. I think very very few of these things were meant to be evil. A couple of them definitely are though and definitely don't make for a fair marketplace (which is the #1 poison to an exchange). The exchanges in their quest to compete, let those few slide. Wrong decision.
     
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    #267     Jun 14, 2016
  8. noddyboy

    noddyboy

    I see what you mean -- I am all for the PEG or REL order, as it allows a retail to flow the bid without having a computer with HF quotes. In general, I don't mind order types that I can see at Interactive Brokers, which is already a lot more than Fidelity or Etrade.

    I am talking about the order types that are not even available on IB, and when I look up the NYSE documentation it is NOT even there. They are hidden in the legal documents that no one reads. An exchange needs to have clear rules that everyone understands, because we want to maximize the number of investors, much like credit cards have plain English explanations.
     
    #268     Jun 14, 2016
  9. nitro

    nitro

    By no-one of course you mean nearly no one. The HFT programmers pour over that stuff. It is incredibly boring (I bore easily), but if you can plow through it, and understand how it can be used to advantage, these people have shown how it can lead to incredible profits at the expense of the buy side.
     
    #269     Jun 14, 2016
  10. nitro

    nitro

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    #270     Jun 15, 2016