Trading bitcoin via mstr in 2025

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, Jan 18, 2025.


  1. It cuts the pizza up more...same size pizza...smaller slice for you and me. They are paying back debt using shares instead of money...or converting debt into shares of the company.
     
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    #61     Jan 24, 2025
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  2. long

    long

    So you’re saying it essentially means nothing?
     
    #62     Jan 24, 2025
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  3. johnarb

    johnarb

    It eliminates the debt but dilutes the shares, mstr will not be able to buy another $1B of btc, they already got the funds $ when they issued the $1B debt

    Every week, mstr has been purchasing bitcoin using $ from ATM shares offering, they have sold over $16B worth of ATM shares the past 8 weeks or so, at the money share offering

    That's the one that's dilutive on the mstr shares, but accretive on the bitcoin/share

    Look up the news a couple of months ago, mstr announced they will sell $21B worth of ATM shares and $21B worth of convertible debt over the course of the 3 years, to buy bitcoin

    but looks like they will complete the ATM offering within 3 months

    The next one may be $50B worth of ATM and $50B worth of convertible, they have 10B shares that got approved, enough to do some splits along the way, too
     
    #63     Jan 24, 2025
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  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    it means a lot. elimination of debt is a big deal, selling of shares or using it to pay debt is permanent capital that is not a liability

    if no debt, even if bitcoin goes to $1, mstr will not go bankrupt, there is no debt



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    #64     Jan 24, 2025
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  5. Well if MSTR can't sell, then BTC's going through the roof because the big public miners have rapidly been putting a stop on their selling, preferring to hold BTC on the books, and instead 'borrow' against them for operations/capex.

    With no supply.... basic economics 101 tells us things are going to get very expensive very soon.

    However, the market 'should' know this... so why the vol/prem is so low on bluechip cryptos has me stumped. But I've seen this before with Ethereum updates. It isn't until after when some pundit on CNBC starts talking about it that the market jumps into a panic-friendzy.

    EIP-1559 was a very good example of this.
     
    #65     Jan 24, 2025
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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    Very good for bitcoin, can't wait, hopefully some announcements after mstr earnings release 2/5(?) q4/2024 (non-fasb bitcoin?)

    quiet period for mstr now...

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    #66     Jan 25, 2025
  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    No quiet period?

    mstr preferred stock announcement $STRK symbol, looks like testing the waters, only $250M initial offering



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    #67     Jan 28, 2025
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  8. MicroStrategy sets price range for perpetual preferred stock- Bloomberg



    Investing.com -- MicroStrategy, a business intelligence company, is setting a price range between $80 and $85 for each of its perpetual preferred stocks. This price is lower than the initially marketed liquidation preference of $100 per share, according to Bloomberg.

    The company is showing strong momentum within this price range, and it is expected to close order books at 1pm Eastern Time, before determining the final pricing after the market closes. The sources requested anonymity as this information is not yet public.

    Updated terms indicate that these stocks can be converted at any time, a shift from the previous terms which only allowed conversion in the last month of a quarter. A representative from MicroStrategy has yet to respond to requests for comments on this matter.

    Earlier this week, it was reported that the stock was being offered with a $1,000 conversion price and an 8% fixed coupon.

    MicroStrategy aims to raise $250 million through this offering. The company announced on January 3 that it planned to raise up to $2 billion through one or more offerings of perpetual preferred stock. These stocks would hold a senior position to its Class A common stock.
     
    #68     Jan 30, 2025
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  9. Sprout

    Sprout

    Contrary to popular crypto shillers, there is no ‘blue chip’ crypto, they all are seigniorage offerings with infinite supply.

    There’s BTC and everything else as cargo cults selling lottery tix for the sh*tcoin casino
     
    #69     Jan 30, 2025
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  10. Sprout

    Sprout

    eli5 why the preferred offering doesn’t crater the common?
     
    #70     Jan 30, 2025
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