Trading bitcoin via mstr in 2025

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, Jan 18, 2025.

  1. Sprout

    Sprout

    Here’s an AMA with MetaPlanet: MTPLF
    that was informative.

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    Not following, you’ve traded memecoins, this volatility should be child’s play

    Did your thesis change from this or were you being sarcastic?

     
    Last edited: May 7, 2025
    #141     May 7, 2025
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  2. johnarb

    johnarb

    No, not being sarcastic at all, these are different bitcoin treasury asset equity investments

    Strategy (mstr) and Metaplanet (mtplf) (and mara and smlr and rumble and thumpzuc and gamestop, and...) are all bitcoin treasury publicly traded companies

    I'll come back to them in a second...

    Capital Partners (cep will become xxi 21 Capital) and ASST are pure bitcoin trasury asset stock, there's no existing business such as selling business software intelligence or video games or medical equipment or hotel management, or....

    I have investments in CEP (xxi in the future?) and mstr... I wanted to add a third investment which was Metapalanet, mtplf, but it's only available on otcqx which I opened a 3rd broker account and waiting to fund it...

    Why would I do that when I can go for this ASST that is already available and ASST is a pure-play bitcoin treasury asset?

    ASST is like CEP (xxi) but it's going for the investment asset management market of investors, I guess think of Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Blackrock investment asset managers

    no financial advice here to anyone, please dyor, don't trust, verify
     
    #142     May 8, 2025
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  3. Sprout

    Sprout

    Dang, that's quite the jump for ASST

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    CEP

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    #143     May 8, 2025
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  4. johnarb

    johnarb

    I sold some shares of CEP pre-market and bought ASST pre-market

    Should have sold all of CEP, lol, maybe I sell more CEP tomorrow pre-market, I have CEP call options for Dec which is underwater 55% m2m

    my CEP shares are still positive m2m


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    #144     May 8, 2025
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  5. NoahA

    NoahA

    I think one of the things I've picked up on over the past few years, is that when your position is down, its a good entry point for me! :) I can never seem to pull the plug on anything outside of straight up bitcoin or an ETF, but shit, in a bull market, any of these things massively outperform spot bitcoin, and I want some of those gains!!!

    The problem is that usually by the time I get in and FOMO is the highest, its usually just before it rolls over, so I don't want to ruin the party for anyone else by getting in.
     
    #145     May 9, 2025
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  6. johnarb

    johnarb

    It's absolutely mind-boggling the number of bitcoin treasury institutions and companies and recently even 2 US states, and who knows when the US Federal strategic bitcoin reserve will start

    It's surreal

    Some bitcoiners are worried, but there is nothing we can do, anyone can buy bitcoin, it's a global monetary asset

    And individuals, family offices, private companies can do the same thing, bitcoin treasury is just a fancy word for buying bitcoin and hodling

    They call it bitcoin treasury because bitcoin is liquid capital in lieu of cash or bonds,

    I call bitcoin as a savings account.. it's liquid can be turned into fiat, 24/7

    You're familiar with What Bitcoin Did youtube channel, Peter McCormack, he's been using bitcoin as their treasury asset for the football team he started 4-5 years ago in Bedford

    The football team was why Peter quit the youtube channel, handed it off to Danny, anyway, it won championship this year for the 3rd year in a row...



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  7. johnarb

    johnarb

    Sold all the CEP shares and put all the proceeds to ASST

    I still have the Dec call options for CEP

    I like the concept of ASST, there are many zombie companies in the US stock market, Hertz, GME, AMC are just the popular ones but there are many more

    Turn them into bitcoin treasury asset companies

    Get the cheap fiat capital from the US financial system and make these zombie companies very valuable and successful thanks to bitcoin

    mstr was a zombie company for 20 years, from $1B market cap to over $100B market cap today because of bitcoin

    and mstr will be $1T market cap and the biggest company in the US stock market within 10 years

    Metaplanet a Japanese zombie company before bitcoin treasury today the best performing stock in the Nikkei for 2 years, up over 5000%

    This is why I like ASST (and Strive) will turn the zombie companies into successful companies and save all their employees from unemployment and hire more employees, hopefully


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  8. johnarb

    johnarb

    Latest positions (still not including the mstr call options purchased from last year)

    • mstr june 2025 call options, still way out of the money
    • cep dec 2025 call options,
    • mstr dec 2025 call options (new)
    • asst shares (new)
    Sold the GME call options,and all the CEP shares for funding new positions

    Bitcoin above $100k now, very very good times for the positions on this thread
     
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  9. So you guys are now investing in penny stocks instead of bitcoin? If you want to out perform hodling then the best way is to generate income....the main issue with hodling is the massive sideways or downtime where your money isn't earning. Based on chat gpt numbers MSTY would out the equivalent in bitcoin even if we get an extended rally to 250k over the next year! Imagine if we factored in sideways action and extended crypto winters....AND the DRIP! :)
     
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  10. The whole complex with pretty cheap options - IBIT, MSTR, COIN completely in the basement. More of a long gamma strat here than a short options one imo