Trading as an art form

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Dustin, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. Rams Fan

    Rams Fan

    Pretty good couple of days to trade short dated options. Any updates @Dustin?
     
    #81     Feb 25, 2022
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  2. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    How much of your option trading is intraday vs holding for x amount of days?
     
    #82     Apr 26, 2022
  3. jnbadger

    jnbadger

    Hi again, Dustin. Did you approach trading stocks in the same way, while obviously honoring your original stop loss on the remaining shares you had?
     
    #83     Jun 23, 2022
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  4. Gambit

    Gambit

    Hoping Dustin will respond to this..since you are trading short term options, do you let these profitable trades run till expiration of the option? Is the option’s lifespan a natural time stop?
     
    #84     Sep 11, 2022
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  5. NoahA

    NoahA

    I do hope Dusting is ok.

    I can answer your question though since I asked this very same thing. Since he trades the 0 DTE options mostly, there isn't much time to mess around. If he sees he is completely wrong, he will be happy take 5 cents or 10 cents or whatever he can get because those add up over time he said.

    Its not so much just buying a lottery ticket and walking away. He continues to manage the trade as the day goes on. And I think we can clearly see this as well. Rarely does the stock or index close on the very high or low. There will usually be a min or max somewhere in there (maybe 30 mins before close or 1 hour), and if you don't get out, you're losing money on a profitable trade. So I do think he tries to get out for a profit if he thinks that's all its gonna give, and close out the option for whatever residual value it has left if he doesn't think it will get any better.
     
    #85     Sep 11, 2022
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  6. Gambit

    Gambit

    Thank you. That's where the art and experience come in.
     
    #86     Sep 12, 2022
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  7. Dustin

    Dustin

    It depends on the setup, but Noah above is correct. The one caveat is if I'm in NDX or SPX which cash settle...I will leave some of those for the closing print.
     
    #87     Sep 12, 2022
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  8. Dustin

    Dustin

    Hey guys, sorry I've been mia since trading has slowed down so much. We've gone from a great trading market to nearly untradeable (for this style). I spend a lot of my time now looking at other ideas for slower markets.
     
    #88     Sep 12, 2022
  9. easymon1

    easymon1

    Good to see ya back, man.
    Your thread linked below is a favorite.
    What would you say belongs in a solid trading plan Dustin?
    https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/anatomy-of-a-fun-2-day-trade-amc-60k.359907/

     
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    #89     Sep 12, 2022
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  10. Dustin

    Dustin

    Hey all, it's been a while because this style of trading doesn't work in the market we've had lately. I've really tightened up over the past months, trying to play safe...but always on the lookout for the big ramp days like we had Thursday. It finally hit, and I played it well for about $300k. I think it's fun for you guys to see my thinking as the day progressed so I grabbed my Slack chat. I edited out the other members for privacy. It's choppy without context but you get the idea.

    As you will see I ended up being wrong with the overnight yolos and I gave back around $60k on Friday. The r:r was very good on the overnights so I'm ok with that. All flat going into this week. The perfect storm is weak market going into Th/Fri for a big reversal. Bear market rallies are everything.

    dust247


    hard to imagine today being the day with these headwinds <chat members were talking about how today could be the day>

    6:13 AM

    tomorrow would be better for us <because Friday cheapy options>

    6:13 AM

    unless something breaks today

    dust247

    TSLA going for lows

    7:03 AM

    I really want a wash, not this shit

    dust247

    lol not a seller in sight anywhere

    7:14 AM

    MSFT just went green for a sec

    7:14 AM

    we need targets on a 2-day rally

    dust247

    it's unbelievable how bad TSLA is now

    7:34 AM

    dust247

    every uptick is met with a downtick right now <I'm referring to ES NQ>

    7:56 AM

    dust247

    big tech wants nothing to do with this?

    7:56 AM

    SMH going green

    7:57 AM

    I just went green, you guys should sell everything right now

    7:58 AM

    see <I was joking here>

    dust247

    I booked a little green, going to leave until later <I had massive long positions here and have learned that I need to step away sometimes>

    8:10 AM

    dust247

    I had stepped away but saw XXXy's caps <when a certain chat member is swearing in caps I know I need to be trading>

    8:25 AM

    booked my small NDX up there <this "small" NDX trade was worth around $50k>

    dust247

    yeah I had LRCX

    8:27 AM

    still have some

    8:29 AM

    fwiw AMZN shouldn't be red <AMZN and TSLA were big laggards, I love laggards.>


    dust247

    sitting at +140 now, lot's of day left to lose that or make 3x

    8:33 AM

    dust247

    im big in AMZN

    8:34 AM

    and big in TSLA

    dust247

    got 10x on LRCX <all out>

    8:36 AM

    selling some more NDX here at 10x

    8:37 AM

    +210 fucking nuts <nice>

    8:39 AM

    dust247

    lightened AMZN

    8:40 AM

    sold more NDX< always be taking profits to fund the eod yolos>

    8:40 AM

    dust247

    those were 11100

    8:41 AM

    for tomorrow

    dust247

    had 20, down to 5 for overnight

    8:42 AM

    ok now I'm really leaving for a bit, sold a lot there <stepping away is important in these situations>

    dust247

    it's too hard to watch now

    8:43 AM

    dust247

    booked around +200

    8:43 AM

    dust247

    I want TSLA 230 <big tech barely ended up participating this day>

    dust247

    find your feet AMZN <poking AMZN to do something>

    10:32 AM

    to 117 you go

    dust247

    TLT playing along

    10:38 AM

    dust247

    looks like I'll be holding massive AMZN as my overnight

    10:40 AM

    dust247

    definitely worth a eod lotto

    10:48 AM

    dust247

    sellers in TSLA for the past two hours have sold 2.5m shares

    11:15 AM

    while price held

    dust247

    just bought 1000 118c AMZN... o/n yolo

    11:52 AM

    even if it goes to 115 today those are 10x

    11:56 AM

    dust247

    these are the guys that were missing for 5 months <high interest rates are the bane of my existence>

    11:58 AM

    dust247

    I need AMZN for the real payoff <1800 calls for 1DTE was significant>

    12:11 PM

    it's slow

    12:12 PM

    1800 calls in different strikes

    12:12 PM

    but ill hold these overnight if needed

    12:13 PM

    let's get weird market <please>

    12:14 PM

    every downtick is -$20k, this is a little much for me

    12:17 PM

    dust247

    today was an exercise in patience for sure

    12:27 PM

    I think I have the right trades on for o/n...minimal risk for max reward

    12:28 PM
     
    #90     Oct 16, 2022
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