Sure! I posted three of my sources here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63571&perpage=6&pagenumber=7 These are three uncorrelated sources that corroborate with each other, and with other sources I've collected over the past ten years. So I'm connecting the dots and building momentum as more and better data is coming out in recent years. This one is next on my reading list. http://www.garyrenard.com/index2.htm http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0965680959/002-5204617-5267256?v=glance&n=283155 Actually, there is a flood of information coming out these days that is hard to keep up with without going full time. The ego considers anything to be true that supports its survival. So much bs exists to support the various egos and group egos in the world. As we tune ego out of the equation, and tune in LOVE as our true identity, I think it will be easier to resonate with these messages, and sift through them for truth. Ultimately, truth is oriented towards freedom. Truth generally sets free because it transcends structure, density, time and space, where we live as multidimensional beings of love. jmho JohnnyK
I was wondering if you cared to actually research these charges and come back with the historical facts. For instance the inquistion. Were the heinous crimes those of the chruch or those of the Spanish political structure. The Crusades. Were they political or church. were they crimes of agression or defense against invaders. Regarding the widespread rape. I lost a great deal of respect for John Paul II's admistration. I find it interesting the world seems to love him while this evil infested his priesthood. But, the question remains was it molesters recognizing they could gain access and protection in the church, or was it the chruch leaders creating the problem. It seems to me that you spewed a lot of Dan Brown type headlines without revealing the nuances of the arguments. Perhaps you have studied these arguments, perhaps not. It all seemed very similar to preachers Vhehn was quoting.
Interesting stuff. Not sure I'm following you though. I don't see how it would be possible to identify one's self as "love and only love" -- it is hard to get at the meat of such a statement. I must admit the phrase makes me snicker, if only because it brings to mind an old Lenny Kravitz song (which is now stuck in my head as payback). Nor do I see how love leads to immortality. The connection is far from obvious. Putting our hopes in medical science and technological advancement seems a recipe for increasing anxiety, not decreasing it. If you find peace in the hope of living forever, you will be that much more worried about getting brain cancer or dying in a plane crash or some such thing. Even if all diseases are eradicated, the possibility of accidental death cannot be. To remove all risks is to cut the heart out of life. That way Howard Hughes lies. Thus rather than get into the biology of immortal beings, it seems cleaner and simpler to recognize life for what it is, be grateful for the opportunities we have, and not cling to desire so much. Earlier you were talking about the value of the here and now. Life is right now. Beauty is right now. Possibility is right now. If death is a part of life, as it certainly is, and necessary for new life and new growth, as it appears to be, then why does death have to be such a big deal? Why can't it be just another experience?
Also: maybe there is a critical divide between belief systems that offer happiness in future and belief systems that focus on the present. All sweet visions have a similar characteristic: they do not yet exist. Happiness delayed is happiness not yet experienced. Singing hymns in heaven with the angels, joining hands in an eco-socialist utopia here on earth, roaming the universe as a cloud of sentient nano-particles... all these are future enticements, promises of something wonderful yet to come. In contrast, there is something to be said for inner clarity and satisfaction right... now. Right... here. In this moment, and the next, and the next. Within each frame of the movie. No dogma or complicated qualifiers or heavy-handed assertions. Just a point of view.
You must be delusional. What nuances do you speak of? Much of the evidence against the Catholic political organization is historically clear. The genocide and en-slavement of almost the entire population of South America by the Spanish was based on and condoned by Catholic Church doctorine. What aspects of the fact that the Catholic Church is a pretext for a very wealthy and powerful political organization do you not understand? You want facts and links? well do your own research. Here is an idea. Copy and paste each of these sentences into Google and read the links. If you have compelling evidence saying opposite what I posted, please feel free to share. Inquisition +Catholic Church Crusades +Catholic Church Child molestation +Catholic Church Politics +Catholic Church crimes against humanity +catholic church The last link will take you to historically proven facts that the Catholic cult actively participated in ethnic cleansing of Jews and Orthodox Christians. If you are feeling lazy, Here is a interesting link. Feel free to refute the facts in this link. http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide2.htm Now as far as your comment: "But, the question remains was it molesters recognizing they could gain access and protection in the church, or was it the chruch leaders creating the problem." It is obvious the Church Blatantly Condoned such behavior. Historically, the Church would simply transfer these faggots to another parish knowing full well that they would rape young boys again. Only the Numerous Lawsuits against the Catholic Political organization brought this aberrant behavior of the Church to light. Quote from jem: I was wondering if you cared to actually research these charges and come back with the historical facts. For instance the inquistion. Were the heinous crimes those of the chruch or those of the Spanish political structure. The Crusades. Were they political or church. were they crimes of agression or defense against invaders. Regarding the widespread rape. I lost a great deal of respect for John Paul II's admistration. I find it interesting the world seems to love him while this evil infested his priesthood. But, the question remains was it molesters recognizing they could gain access and protection in the church, or was it the chruch leaders creating the problem. It seems to me that you spewed a lot of Dan Brown type headlines without revealing the nuances of the arguments. Perhaps you have studied these arguments, perhaps not. It all seemed very similar to preachers Vhehn was quoting.
To get a better idea of how catholicism and spanish state operated, we can read the detailed accounts of Jose Rizal, the national hero of the Philippines. Both church and state are structural derivatives of the fall of man. Not ever surprising to see them in bed together. Structure as servant serves; structure as master oppresses. We are still dealing with this. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jose+rizal&btnG=Google+Search "In the early morning of December 30, 1896, 35 year old Jose' Rizal, an indio with strong oriental features but the bearing of a western intellectual, wearing a black suit and hat, stood erect and calm in an open field by Manila Bay. Ministering to him were two Jesuit priests. Wanting to be master of his own execution, he refused to kneel and be blindfolded. He asked to face the firing squad but was forced by the officer in charge to turn his back. A military doctor took his pulse. It was, strangely, normal. At 7:03 the bark of bullets rent the air. Rizal fell, and so, virtually, did Spanish colonial rule."
Upon typing spanish inquisition and the Catholic Church into yahoo one gets this from wikipaedia. There were many motivations for Ferdinand to create the Inquisition. Spain, historically an area with disparate religious traditions and ethnic groups, needed a common religion - Catholicism - if it was to have a sense of unity. Ferdinand was particularly concerned with false converts to Catholicism who often remained loyal to the rule of Islam during the final years of Reconquista, and the Inquisition, which had no jurisdiction over non-Catholics, was his method of identifying them. Also, many historians believe the Spanish Inquisition was instituted as a way of weakening Ferdinand's primary political opposition at home. It is also possible, but not likely, that there was a financial motivation: Jewish financiers had lent Ferdinand's father many of the funds which he had used to pursue the alliance by marriage with Castile, and many of these debts would be wiped if the noteholder were condemned in court. Other historians point out that because the Inquisition had no jurisdiction over Jews or Muslims, imputing this motive to Ferdinand is tendentious. Ferdinand's main aim was to consolidate the independent realms that he had gained by his marriage to Isabella into a single state to be left to his heir. Ferdinand was an astute politician, and developed close ties with St. Peter's in Rome as part of his political manoeuvering. However, he did not want the Pope to control the Inquisition in Spain, as he was jealous of any other power within his borders. The Pope did not want the Inquisition established in Spain at all, but Ferdinand insisted. He prevailed upon Rodrigo Borgia, then Bishop of Valencia and the Papal Vice-Chancellor as well as a cardinal, to lobby Rome on his behalf. Borgia was partially successful, as Pope Sixtus IV sanctioned the Inquisition only in the state of Castile. Later, Borgia was to have Spain's support for his own papacy as Pope Alexander VI. Sixtus IV was Pope when the Spanish Inquisition was instituted in Seville. He worked against it, but bowed to pressure from Ferdinand, who threatened to withhold military support from his kingdom of Sicily. Sixtus issued a papal Bull establishing the order in 1478. Nevertheless, Sixtus was unhappy with the excesses of the Inquisition and took measures to suppress their abuses. The Pope disapproved of the extreme measures being taken by Ferdinand, and categorically disallowed their spread to the kingdom of Aragon. He alleged that the Inquisition was a cynical ploy by Ferdinand and Isabella to confiscate the Jews' property. Despite his title of "Most Catholic King", and his ongoing attempts to woo the Pope to his side politically, Ferdinand continued to resist direct Papal influence in his lands. He decided to use strong-arm tactics against the Pope. ---------- One can go on to read that while at first the inquistion was only to deal with converted Catholics or Christians --- later when it spread to Jews. Most jews went to other Catholic contries and many jews went to Rome where the Pope provided patronage and protection. I have no problem providing you with other information. But even your own cite reveals a lack of substantation for your claims. Incidently I have always thought that the person making the claims has the onus of providing substatiation of the claims. You should also know that while you claim the church is rich and powerful there are reports that the Pope virtually bankrupted the church in the 1980s using almost all of its liquidity supporting the anti communist movement in Poland other countries. There is also proof that contrary to some statements made in the Press the church helped Jews against the Nazis. But that is another argument. And yes you can find that out by doing a google search as well.
Yes, what will we do with all the "till death do us part" marriage contracts. Some of those contracts imply a promise to die! Those may have to be renegotiated. Your question are relative to a gradual improvement in longevity leading to immortality led by medical science. But this may not be how it plays out. There is coming an unavoidable confrontation where we will rise to paradigm change, or experience decline and possible destruction. If we can rise, we will enter a world of very advanced technologies that will not be based on the high-friction, high-resistance technology that civilization currenly relies on. And this could happen very quickly relative to a phenomenon that correlates to a critical mass in consciousness. The confrontation will actually increase consciousness rapidly. All truly advanced technologies are based on principles of synchronicity, holistic patterning, and respect for the dynamics of life. Most of the universe, with which science has concerned itself until recently is the domain of separate particles and masses, and that domain is governed by the law of cause and effect. But there are two other domains; mutuality and synchronicity in perfect stasis. And the distance between the current domain and these other two is short and the distances are being crossed at this time. The forthcoming accelerations in understanding will be major! Scientific thinking already includes a number of perceptions about mutuality. Soon it will enter the domain of perfect synchronicity. This is an infinity of pure, undesignated potential, which supplies all other levels of interaction and communication (cause and effect is a form of communication and exchange, as well as mutuality) with life energy. The point is we are going to reach this very quickly, once we reach critical mass in consciousness. And the benefits will be accross the board extending to everyone still left on the planet...including immortality. We are all in this together, holistically. So we may have to ask different questions to get better answers. The energy needed for biological immortality will come from primal magnetism. Magnetism is native to primal energy. Since we are part of that energy, we do not have to generate or manipulate it mechanically. All we have to do is stabilize our connection with it through self-awareness and acknowledgement. Within the conservation field, there is no direct access to magnetism as a source of energy. Electromagnetism occurs within the conservational field, but there is a higher function of magnetism -primal magnetism - that supercedes those polarized arrangements, and is pure energy. In the larger spectrum of attractor fields, magnetism is activated by alignments of infinity. The math needed to designate infinite and primal energy can be known. We just need a paradigm/viewpoint shift of Copernicus magnitude to be able to start accessing this. You see, energy is a potential which is inter-dimensional and inter-positional. Once it is understood that energy is potential comprised of a quantity, a constant, and a quality, then a formula will be developed that can be applied to many situations within and beyond the conservation field. With that understanding, conditions of infinity will be comprehensible. We may not be able to define it, but we can explain it and use it. Infinity is relevant magnitudes, simultaneous, and qualitative. It exists in space, but is not determined by it. Intergalactic travel, and immortality will be a couple of benefits of this rise - or leap - in consciousness and the non-force/friction based technology that follows. Part of that consciousness will be a realization that love is first and foremost and love uses primal magnetism and compression to unite particles and formulate relationships in physical existence. The primal power of love has within it a function of self-awareness, self-acknowledgement or self-dialogue, whether you refer to love as beingness or energy. When we are aware that we are love, we stabilize ourselves within this infinite field of potential energy, as part of that energy. When it is realized that we are a magnetic vortex centered near our hearts in our upper torso, we will be able to begin pumping immortal life blood through our veins using compressions. Each compression generates new energy from beyond the conservation field. As you can see, this has everything to do with consciousness, and maybe not much to to with current medical science. This energy will not be subject to proprietary control, and will be universally availble for biological immortality...as it is now. Johnnyk
Sounds a lot like the force. Does it involve midichloreans in any way? Is there a dark side? Seriously, don't mean to be sarcastic... but we're getting into L. Ron Hubbard territory here. I suspect you're just having a bit of fun. Maybe it was obvious the whole time and I'm a dullard for missing it.