Death is a clearning house for useless identities. By that, I mean that useless identities are the only reason for death in the first place. What I mean is we are immortal already. But we have not yet managed to integrate biological bodies with our immortality due to false identifications. Thus, to identify with anything other than who we are as immortal beings, will require a death. The most common death so far is physical death. Maybe its just easier...path of least resistance, etc. The biological body can't be supported with identifications that eminated from the mind. The mind, and all of it's fabulous logic, is powerless to change biology. If who we are is love, then you can see how so-called christianity has utterly failed mankind in its dualistic quests within the logical mind. Everywhere, and in ourselves, we are taught to see evil, criminals, sinners, guilty parties...in need of punishments. This is a total betrayal of who we are. Every man woman and child on the face of the earth...including Kingcobra...is, at the very core of their being, LOVE...and totally innocent. Any religion promotiing anything otherwise will result in the death of all of its leaders and all of its followers because it is a false identification that cannot support biological bodies. Immortality of biology is dependant on the death of useless identites. Obviously, if one can figure out how to kill his own useless ID's and realign with true identity...then there is absolutely no more reason for a physical death. Reincarnation is just another opportunity to realize this truth, and leverage it. A good test to see if we found our true identity yet is to see if we die. So far then, not a single dead Catholic, Protestant or Muslim ever found his true ID. Someone should sound an alarm that someting isnt working. JohnnyK
One could provocatively argue that Catholocism is weaker today for having not embraced the revelation / reason split. Johnny K's friend appears to be a fan of Averroes. It would be a very provocative argument. Interestingly you point that out. At one point it had a had a chance to go with the revelation reson split chosen by the Muslims. Then later it had a chance to go with the revelatioin reason split in the other direction when Protestants were arguing against the mystery of the Eucharist and infant baptism and many of the other reformations chosen by Protestant leaders influenced by the newtons cause and effect reasoning and the scientific method.
By the way vhehn do you believe the garbage written above by pastors who do not even realize that the catholic mass is not a rejection of the finished work of the cross. By the way you do not have to be protestant or catholic to quarrel with a misrepresentation of the core teachings of a faith.
So are you engaging in meta-sarcasm here, or asserting these statements as objective truth, or merely offering an alternative belief system that strikes you as groovy? It seems to me there are plenty of useful reasons for death -- making room for the next generation being an obvious one -- and it can be argued that an obsession with immortality is unhealthy, arising from a distorted sense of self. p.s. It is interesting to consider the implications of medical science finding triumph over death. If we ever reach the point where a life span can be extended indefinitely through technology, all kinds of interesting questions will arise. Who deserves eternal life, for example, if the wealthy can pay for it and the poor cannot. And how should death be viewed, say, by a healthy four-hundred-year-old who has yet decided 'enough is enough.' At what age will a peaceful death in bed be socially acceptable, when the possibility exists of putting it off permanently. How will those with a 'life at all costs' view reconcile this conundrum. To have power is to have responsibility. Many of our present day views are born of our lack of power, and thus our lack of responsibility, in genuinely considering hard decisions and coming to logically consistent points of view. As greater power confers greater responsibility, man must advance with science -- or science will turn and destroy him.
very good. i know how hard it is to free your mind from indoctrination from childhood. i have lived it.
no i dont believe it. i dont believe in hell or damnation or satan or any of that other superstitious nonsense. religion to me is mostly based on superstition. however i find it useful to know what the strongest believers believe in order to try to understand the mindset.
Just change "catholic" by "islam" "cruzade" by "jhiad" "Inquisition" by "Shariah" "christian" by "muslim" "God" by "Allah" "Christ" by "Mohammed" "middle ages" by "today" "wide-spread murder" by "fatwas" "xxxx" by "yyyy" and what do you have?
I must admit that I am merely offering an alternative belief system that strikes me as groovy. But I advocate any alternative knowing system, so as to move away from belief systems as soon as possible. Faith is only a beginning...consciousness is the end result. Faith is a starting point, not a stopping point. It will require both faith and consciousness to reach the highest levels of understanding...which will involve a surrender to the power of all-inclusive wholeness. Like two legs of a biped, we need both to be balanced so we can move forward. Groovy is a good choice of word because these things that resonate with me. I feel happy when pondering them, and when sharing them. I am currently, and rapidly, filling in the gaps of a more wholistic viewpoint, and am excited to share the results. I might even have a responsibility to do so, if what I vibe with is true. It is also a response to all the bad news and fear mongering appearing in chit chat daily...and in the news daily....a solutions oriented response. I make statements that sound as though I am stating fact. It is just easier this way and saves time and space. It's ok to think of my stuff as science fiction. But any and all of my viewpoints are meant to line up with reality and would line up with science and religion only when they line up with reality. I appreciate any challenges that cause me to reevaluate or dig deeper. I make statements that sound as though I am stating fact. But it only becomes truth when inner and outer are one...for you. I'll address your other excellent observations next. JohnnyK
Consider for a moment, that death is the result of a distorted sense of self. Then, look at how the dying might consider immortality the result of a distorted sense of self. Absurd, yes? More likely, it can be argued that people are obsessed with immortalizing distorted senses of self. I have yet to meet anyone obsessed with identifying themselves as love, only love, and nothing but the love. And this is what leads to immortality. We can expect that these types of beings supercede time and space. They will be drawing their life force from an energy field beyond the consevation field. So if anything, they would be excellent teachers of how to create abundance using energy drawn from beyond the conseveratiion field. In a worst case scenario, they could just ASCEND...if there wasn't enough room within earthly densities. Maybe this has already transpired many times. Some may yet be here, some may be gone, some may be present in synchronicity...unseen to the naked eye. The biology of an immortal is going to be different. The energy needs are going to be different, as well as energy supplies. Likely, such a one will be in harmony with nature, balanced, and one with all creation. Can we really argue that it's possible to have an overpopulation of something we haven't experienced en masse? JohnnyK
your concepts appear to be unique. can you direct me to additional data on these ideas? thank you, surfer