Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. 1 Corinthians 13:4
I know how you can find out. A god of which you can conceive isn't big enough to create the universe. So, no, a god that you create isn't worthy of worship. Earlier, God developed the idea of a man.
I would suggest a post so badly laid out as that one of yours below, does not help the discussion any. Perhaps you would help yourself understand both your own and another's viewpoint better, were you to take more care with your presentation. What it is you are actually trying to show and as far as coherence goes, we'll just have to wait and see if you can eventually provide evidence for either . I have no intention of sorting out the muddle you made, but will just pick out one or two of the main points you seem to be having difficulty trying to establish . You gave the impression that being tautological is not useful. In its own context , here you make one of the most tautological statements possible. By your own tautology, an eternal anything would require no cause. An eternal universe for instance would not require God as cause. So what is your point exactly? According to the procedure of your tautological tall talk , you previously declared that statement to be one of your "eternal truths". So again, can God do that or not? If It can't, It didn't create the universe. If It can , by your very own conditions that statement is not an "eternal truth".
Quotes from trainr... "In the non-abstract, we can conceive of something called God." "A god of which you can conceive isn't big enough to create the universe." "So, no, a god that you create isn't worthy of worship".,,, um... you seem to be doing a pretty good job of confirming God as not first cause, nor worth the worship.
Where the sun doesn't shine? You are so desperately full of both yourself and "it," that it boggles the mind. You do not debate. You pontificate. You do not clarify or simplify. You obfuscate. You even contradict yourself. You continue to be put in your place by those far smarter than either of us. And yet, for some inexplicable reason, you come back for more. You continue to draw a crowd not unlike a circus side show. Any attention is better than none, isn't it? Engaging you in an exchange is about as fruitful as debating a schizophrenic. You, sir, are a waste of time. My stop is right...here.
I certainly don't want to disappoint those who are counting on me to lead chit chat into the next millenium. I will incarnate into this thread later on as I distill an intuition about these matters in a way that may be productive to the readers. JohnnyK
Not at all. If you had read the remainder of my earlier posts you would have the complete context. As it is, you are now in the same camp -- logically speaking -- as Thunderdog.