I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are trying to kill me, because you will not accept my teaching. I talk about what my Father has shown me, but you do what your father has told you." They answered him, "Our father is Abraham." "If you really were Abraham's children," Jesus replied, "you would do the same things that he did. All I have ever done is to tell you the truth I heard from God, yet you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like this! You are doing what your father did." "God himself is the only Father we have," they answered, "and we are his true children." Jesus said to them, "If God really were your Father, you would love me, because I came from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own authority, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to listen to my message. You are the children of your father, the Devil, and you want to follow your father's desires. From the very beginning he was a murderer and has never been on the side of truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he is only doing what is natural to him, because he is a liar and the father of all lies. But I tell the truth, and that is why you do not believe me. Which one of you can prove that I am guilty of sin? If I tell the truth, then why do you not believe me? He who comes from God listens to God's words. You, however, are not from God, and that is why you will not listen." They asked Jesus, "Were we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon in you?" "I have no demon," Jesus answered. "I honor my Father, but you dishonor me. I am not seeking honor for myself. But there is one who is seeking it and who judges in my favor. I am telling you the truth: whoever obeys my teaching will never die." They said to him, "Now we know for sure that you have a demon! Abraham died, and the prophets died, yet you say that whoever obeys your teaching will never die. Our father Abraham died; you do not claim to be greater than Abraham, do you? And the prophets also died. Who do you think you are?" Jesus answered, "If I were to honor myself, that honor would be worth nothing. The one who honors me is my Father---the very one you say is your God. You have never known him, but I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know him, and I obey his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see the time of my coming; he saw it and was glad." They said to him, "You are not even fifty years old---and you have seen Abraham?" "I am telling you the truth," Jesus replied. "Before Abraham was born, 'I Am'." Then they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and left the Temple. (Joh 8:37-59) "If the world hates you, just remember that it has hated me first. If you belonged to the world, then the world would love you as its own. But I chose you from this world, and you do not belong to it; that is why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: 'Slaves are not greater than their master.' If people persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours too. But they will do all this to you because you are mine; for they do not know the one who sent me. They would not have been guilty of sin if I had not come and spoken to them; as it is, they no longer have any excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father also. They would not have been guilty of sin if I had not done among them the things that no one else ever did; as it is, they have seen what I did, and they hate both me and my Father. This, however, was bound to happen so that what is written in their Law may come true: 'They hated me for no reason at all.' (Joh 15:18-25)
There is one other uncomfortable possibility for believers in the devil. If the devil exists and God is all powerful that means God causes or allows Satan to do his evil and that means Satan is Gods servant. Is the christian God like the arsonist that burns things just for the enjoyment of watching them burn? Would a God like this be worthy of worship? The age old problem of rationalizing an all powerful God and evil in the world has made believers uncomfortable since man developed the idea of a God.
We certainly want to build on the contributions of adepts. Yet, are we not still discovering what is unmanifest vs. what is not manifestable? Are there no more paradigm shifts on the magnitude of Copernicus' contribution? Once it is understood that energy is a potential comprised of a quantity, a constant, and a quality, then a formula will be developed which can be applied to many situations within and beyond the conservational field. With that understanding, conditions of infinity will be comprehensible....not definable, but explainable in terms of matter, energy, time and space. The math needed to designate infinite and primal energy will be angular and proportional in nature because only proportions and ratios can penetrate the nature of infinity and transpose quality into probable quantities. Angularity expresses the quality of infinity while infinite quantity progresses proportionally, in the way that progressions of 'half-life' approach but never reach zero. What's important at this time is for us to equate energy with potential, and know that potential is comprised of a quantity, a constant, and a quality. We can then arrive at the constant via deductive, or inductive reasoning. This supreme, master-constant will underwrite the power of all other constants such as the speed of light. We may need a dose of truth to get to that point. Science is on the threshold of leaping into the greater definition of what truth is, and will grasp it. But this greater truth will first be perceived and used by folks outside of science who will demonstrate it's power. Briefly, the ultimate condition of truth is where the inner and outer are one. The universe in implicitly and explicitly of one piece. The constant will be found at the point of perfect stasis between the implicit and the explicit. At this static center there is perfect equilibrium...and we have hypersynchronicity, where matter, energy, space and time move into a 'no-resistance' mode of infinite potential. Having this knowledge will do for physical science what the zero did for mathematics. The math of angular proportions will resolve to zero, allowing for the isolation of this true static center. Once we locate the factors of equilibrium, we will locate the constant. I will call this the *zero point*. We will not be able to define the constant using structure or absolute quantities, but its potential as a functional power can be understood and accessed. Non-scientists will be the first to discover the greater truth and demonstrate it's power, where inner and outer are both one, and both understood. These will discover a static center existing inside themselves, which is one with the explicit, outer, external conditions of their existence. Understanding the inner, and how to access that 'still point' of perfect equilibrium, they will demonstrate how this changes outer reality. There is a point within each person where the physical, spiritual, emotional, intellectual and intentional components of one's existence are in perfect synchronicity. At that point, there is no difference in elements, time, space, or condition. This is a personal *zero point*. The implications of this are stupendous. This *heart center* is the true source of indigenous power. As that center is discovered and explored, there will be levels of energy which are transformational and transmutational. Here, where matter, time, space and potential are perfectly reposed in the *now* of synchronicity, this personal zero point marks the intersection point of mortal and eternal life. This zero point is not about 'nothingness'...it is a designation of infinity. As people learn to access the blessings of infinite supply within themselves, and as they better understand the unity of the inner and outer worlds, consciousness will rise toward critical mass, at which point that same awareness will spread rapidly and ubiquitously among the general populace. The repetition of phenomena attributed to zero point access among so many human guinea-pigs, will come to the attention of science, and it will make the leap. At this point science is still focusing on scarcities, forces, and leftovers -- scarcity being that which is subject to control, force being that which is used to control it, and leftover existence being that which is not understood. Science is barred from infinity for the moment because it is locked into dualistic thinking. Religions are also enmeshed with dualistic thought, for example, in the way they separate body from spirit as a complimentary duality. The fact is body and sprit are one. Mankind looks at everything in terms of opposites...measuring up by down, north by south, white by black, dull by clear. Scales of comparison can be helpful in discerning, although such a scale is only valid if both ends of the spectrum are known and available for observation. When the ends reach beyond your consciousness, the scale is irrelevant. For that reason, infinity will be avoided in the presence of dualistic thinking. For the same reason, materialistic motivation cannot comprehend infinity. When you know that the manifest and the unmanifest are one, you can integrate them much better. The infinite nature of spirit is separate from nothing, and encompasses everything that seems to be nothing. The useful corollary is: finite "material" (form) is never really separate from infinite spirit. In knowing this, we gain the ability to transmute the world into a better place. Through the joining of spirit and matter, you can observe the delicate and critical point where divisibility becomes indivisibility. Defining clearly the point where indivisibility makes its transition into divisibility is the crucial degree of understanding that will launch science into the next millennium. Right now, the greatest hindrance to progress comes from studying the divisible field against a backdrop of impenetrable unknown. Divisable instrumentation won't bridge the gap by itself. Understanding will come when the indivisibility of the unknown is accepted, and study then focuses on the transitional zone where indivisibility becomes divisable. This zone will also mark a transition of the laws that govern each field. So new procedures will need to be developed from a larger perspective in which perceptions of the bridge between divisibility and indivisibility employ respect for the power of love. We may be surprised to find that love is a constant...the one master constant we've been trying to locate, isolate, deduce and access....the one that binds together the formula for potential...binding together energy...in a state of perfect equilibrium in motion. If it turns out that we ARE love, the implications are stupendous. ...Then, a formula will be developed which can be applied to many situations within and beyond the conservational field. JohnnyK
Johnny Johnny Johnny... the only way to build on the knowledge of an adept is to become karmic free... ie: you are not incarnating in this plane anymore... there are borders, boundaries.. you may not like it but thats the way it is
God is faith. You either believe in Him or you do not. Science measures the finite. God is infinite. Therefore Science can not, and will never be able to prove Gods existence. The only way to prove Gods existence is to read all His books and prove the writings thereof. The problem is much of the Holy books contain ramblings written by illiterate psychotics to please the political powers of their time. Arguments such as the earth being 6000 years old. Also, some parts of these books were plagarized from ancient Sumerian and Babylonian mythology. The story of Noah is a plagarized version of the epic flood story of the Sumerian King, Gilgamesh. Why do western Christians celebrate sabbath on a Sunday? Records show Jesus observed Sabbath on Saturday. It is because Sunday is the day of worship for Deus Sol Invictus, the Roman pagan Sun god. The "Holy Roman Empire" that succeeded the original Empire used Christianity as a political forge to weld together the disparate elements of the original empire. By changing the observation of sabbath to Sunday, the political rulers of that time made it convenient for their diverse populations to convert to the Christianity. It is easier to make Black men and white men identify with the same master if they believe in the same God. I know God exists because I have found proof of Him myself. The truth becomes apparant only when one steps away from the narrow precepts of organized religion. Organized religion and the political structure of organized religion is the enemy of those who seek God. It amuses me to no end when I see a stupid person with a closed conscious mind, regurgitate elements of organized religion as fact. As if they have a choke-hold on the only path to understanding Gods existence.
Geez. How dare you call people stupid if you BELIEVE in God and you have FOUND Him? Aren't those you say stupid people also the creation of your God? :eek: Oh! I see. You are TheConMan!!!!!!
Are you saying that those who have found God are stupid? Paul's IQ is estimated to be around 160. Chuck Missler, bible teacher, has an IQ over 180.
That's a great question! My IQ is "up there." As a result of that and other reasons, I felt I needed to have a good intellectual reason to accept christianity, meaning, I thought, I would never accept it. When my wife tried to explain my need for Jesus in our early years, I couldn't believe the level of hate and anger I felt, and it wasn't towards her; but it was just plain savage in its depth. Now, realize, I didn't believe in God at all. Yet, there was something inside me that reacted to a supposed God's existence, the manifestation of which was my inner irrational response. I didn't know that's what it was at the time, but I suspected it was possible. I had to analyze this: How could I possibly be angry and hateful about something that didn't exist? If my wife had told me I needed the Easter bunny I would have thought her nuts, but it wouldn't have bothered me in any similar manner. At the very least I had to examine the christian evidences in more detail, because I was having some weird reaction to being presented with a need for Jesus. Either I was broken and needed therapy, or there was some reality I was missing. I assumed the latter. And, I decided that if the christian evidences were unconvincing I would attempt therapy. It turned out that the evidences did convince me as being what a reasonable person would accept, and I accepted Jesus, according to Romans 10: 9-10. In retrospect, I can see that my irrational hatred was symptomatic of my spiritual condition -- hostile to God. I recognize the same thing in the responses of many here. I began debating christian evidences in 1988 on FidoNet (the early amateur network with eventually 10 million nodes), and later on the Internet newsgroups. I've had a number of people over the years (who debated against me) who admitted that at times they felt so much anger when debating me they wondered what the source was. "If the world hates you, just remember that it has hated me first. I'm sure the majority of the people here who have debated against me have felt the same thing. They may rationalize it by saying I offended them, but Jesus said they will hate me because they hate him (in whom they don't "believe"). Since I've been in that position and converted, and they've never been in mine, I'm a better position to make the judgment. ("The spiritual man judges all things and is himself subject to no man's judgment.") Like I said, great question! So, analyze your own emotions as you read this.