traders who are deeply religious

What can I tell ya Johnny... giants have come before us and that is their testimony, men and women that have trained their mind to an unimaginable level... an adept such as the buddha who having lifted the veil of maya (illusion) could still not help you define that which is all and yet nothing... and as for science, it deals with what can be measured... and measuring the infinite is a fools game

 

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In the mind, we can conceive truths that are eternal and unchanging.
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Since you haven’t refuted it, the statement stands. As a matter of fact, your response is in agreement.

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For example, a thing cannot be both existent and non-existent simultaneously.
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You lost me. Are you disagreeing, with this as your evidence, or are you agreeing? I don’t see how you can tell me what God’s character is – or isn’t – unless you agree in his existence; in which case you don’t have an argument.
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That is an eternal truth upon which other truths may depend, but itself depends on no other truth to be known.
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As interesting as you may find that statement, it has nothing to do with the argument at hand. The argument so far is regarding existence, not character, unless you are agreeing God exists; at which point we can move on to character.
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The existence of these other truths depends on a self-evident truth; they have a cause that is self-evident or cause-less.
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I don’t understand what you’re saying. I suspect it’s incomprehensible, but I’m open to explanation. The context of my statement is a thing that is not eternal must meet the condition you quote. An eternal truth – or an eternal God – require no cause, else they would not be eternal.
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Therefore, the statement, “All effects have a cause except an ultimate cause” is true and not tautological.
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I don’t think you’ve established anything of the sort. Most of what you present here is mush.
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In the non-abstract, we can conceive of something called God. In order for this to be true of God, God must be eternal.
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At this point you are speculating. You don’t have enough foundation to make either claim, and both appear meaningless upon inspection.
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Or, if God is eternal, he meets the requirement of being an ultimate cause.
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(The literal meaning of universe is “one set of things.” The definition itself strongly implies that it isn’t all there is. A better word for that set would be “omniverse.” If there is more than this one set, the universe could not be a simultaneous superset and a subset of itself. )

One of the meanings of eternal is unchanging. We know by observation that the universe doesn’t meet that requirement.

Please prove the universe is eternal, if you feel otherwise.
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When you propose that all things are caused, and that therefore God doesn’t exist as a First Cause (because he violates the rule of causality, needing himself to be caused), you are proposing an infinite series of causes, which is meaningless; like a bunch of mailmen delivering an infinite series of letters, but no one wrote a letter.
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Yet, you’ve been arguing against a causeless cause; you therefore believe all things are caused, unless you have a third alternative, your “positron pairs” comment notwithstanding.

Alternately, he’s as wrong now as he was then, and the babbling is yours.

None taken.

 

The logic escapes you and doesn't require me to explain it. It is sufficient as is. Your posts of this nature, while trying to demonstrate foolishness, are working; just not in the way you intend.

I assume you're upset with me, and in your rush to condemn you don't fully read what has already been written. (That's my attempt to be kind. )

In general, however, I don't suffer fools gladly.

 

Then shaving in front of a mirror must be quite a challenge for you in the morning.

 

TKO

 

And your explanation of Larry Williams' and his daughter's successful collusion with a regulated futures broker is ...

(I know you won't answer, so to save time ... *plonk* ... you've been excommunicated.)

 

Sorry -- but you haven't had a meaningful comment in over 30 pages. *plonk*

 

Interesting that we continue to discuss Larry Williams in a God thread. The parallel is compelling.

First, I don't think that brokers were quite as regulated then (when Larry "won" that contest) as they are now. But I am not an expert and won't pretend to be one. I suppose that is where we differ.

It is interesting that you, as a "trader," are fixated with someone who once "won" a contest many years ago, and his daughter who also apparently once won a contest. Yes, this is the stuff of which legends are born. It is interesting that you are fixated with someone who has probably written more books on trading than he has placed actual trades. It is interesting that he is less known for making a living trading than he is for writing books about doing so and selling expensive seminars. It is interesting that when Larry tried to manage money once (in a non-contest environment, oddly enough) he performed so badly that his investors had him investigated by the regulatory authorities. I don't think any charges were laid because apparent incompetence is not a chargeable offense. The legend continues.

Tell me, do you subscribe to his MoneyTree newsletter which assures you that you can make $10,000 a month working just 30 minutes a day? How is that working for you? Yes, this is exactly the kind of person you should place your faith in. Forget those traders who quietly trade and do well for themselves. Stand up for the circus barkers, and whatever you do, send Larry money.

 

If what can't be measured or defined proves useful, then it is a legitimate part of science. Its the job of science to address the workability of particulars and to strive for explanations and understanding within categories of common probability.

For example, in accessing particles and energy within the conservation field, absolute numerical values can be assigned to constants. Outside of this field, 'static' is the constant. The interesting thing about static is that, being indefinable, it can serve the singularity function as a unifying force without having to be a raw singularity in the isolated sense. A cool thing about the indefinable is its ability to adapt to circumstantial needs while being unconditioned by them.

So, we can understand that the functional power of true static can never be defined by structure or absolute quantities, because it is outside the realm of structure. Still, its potential can be understood and accessed.

Every constant is an index of equilibrium. Take for example the speed of light. The brilliance of Einsteins observation about the constant of light is that he was the first to demonstrate equilibrium IN MOTION as a constant of energy. Actually, the whole galaxy is equilibrium in motion. Locate the factors of equilibrium and you've located the constant.

I don't want to pretend to know everything, but here's what we do know:

Infinity is the universal factor that allows quantities to be translated to quality and qualities to be translated to quantity. So it relates to the transmission of potential in every dimension of reality.

Since man is dealing with energy defined by the principles of conservation, he understands it only as scarcity. And as long as mans primary supply of energy is subject to such scarcity, there will be no system of social democracy that can last long....

So maybe it is a fools game to not persue the usefulness of infinity...whether we can measure it or not.

 

Yes, what better way than through quantum physics can one establish the validity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen.