Trader's Taxation in Switzerland

Discussion in 'Hook Up' started by syspool, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. Big

    Big

    Essentially, you create company there, you don't even have to say it is a hedge fund.
    I don't think they are heavily regulated.
    It is also very quick, and very cheap (count max $1500 to setup one).
     
    #11     Oct 21, 2008
  2. You negotiate with each Canton individually. Pick the one you want to live in and then begin to wine and dine and put on the full court press.

    However...if you are an American you still owe to IRS regardless of where you live.
     
    #12     Oct 21, 2008
  3. In practice that's not really how it works. It's my understanding that as an individual investor you are allowed to manage your money as you see fit, and that means trading in and out if you wish. I can tell you that private banks like many other "financial advisors" will make your account trade and they know that you won't pay taxes. Don't you think they can afford the best lawyers in Switzerland ?

    The tax authorities appear to have no way to check that and they are not inclined to do so probably because you could deduct your losses as well then .

    The criteria are not really setin stone I believe. But I would say that if you act as a professional trading firm would, making a market for example or doing mostly arbitrage strategies, and have no other official occupation then you definitely would fall under the professional trader definition. If you can afford to be in CH with the program for wealthy individual then you probably wouldn't want to do much trading anyway and just enjoy your money like the idle rich !
     
    #13     Oct 21, 2008
  4. #14     Oct 21, 2008
  5. ITR2744

    ITR2744

    thanx for the link, ranger. These are exactly the criterias...

    Sure, if you don't trade your account by yourself, you won't be declared as a trader and thus pay no taxes. But trust me, if you trade as an active daytrader, you will be considered as self employed.

    There are several federal court decisions to this topic:

    BGE 122 II 446:
    http://www.bger.ch/index/juridictio...isdiction-recht-leitentscheide1954-direct.htm

    conclusion: if your trading activities go beyond a normal private wealth management, you will be considered as self employed and thus have to pay taxes on your profits.

    http://www.baselland.ch/fileadmin/baselland/files/docs/fkd/steuern/praxis/1998/3_1998_121-124.pdf

    conclusion: 59 transactions within 4 years: NO taxes : clearly no active trading

    see also Kreisschreiben of the federal tax departement:

    http://www.estv.admin.ch/d/dvs/kreisschreiben/1-008-D-2005-d.pdf
     
    #15     Oct 21, 2008
  6. So, what if you did want to get a job there - or you're not really talking about that, right?
     
    #16     Oct 21, 2008
  7. Big

    Big

    Indeed you can't get a job there if you are on the lump sum taxation regime. you basically need to be able to live with what you earn outside of switzerland.
     
    #17     Oct 22, 2008

  8. Would you have this link in French ?
    I am not a daytrader, but I trade and the tax authorities have never asked questions since I moved here, perhaps it's small change to them. I have talked to people, FX brokers in CH , they never said such activity was taxable. Regular people "dabbling in the stock market" also say there is no taxes so go figure.
    I researched this a couple years ago and from I have been told and from I have read on here (several threads) there has been some attempt by the tax authorities to go after capital gains from active trading but this happened back in 2000 . Since then ,I was told the authorities haven't really pursued that type of revenues because then too many people would deduct their losses. Also only about 20 % of the population own stocks.
     
    #18     Oct 24, 2008
  9. ITR2744

    ITR2744

    #19     Oct 24, 2008
  10. Thanks all the info appears to be there.
     
    #20     Oct 24, 2008