Trader with side business of managing seperate accounts

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by Sagacity1, May 9, 2009.

  1. drcha

    drcha

    Hi Sagacity,

    lindq is right, as you know--you must get an attorney who is experienced in these matters. You can get killed by not knowing what you don't know. The rules don't always make intuitive sense.

    I don't know about exams, state and federal rules, or any of that, but I am an old dog and have been around the block a few times.

    The best way to find any professional who is going to be on your team and help you, not just give you incompetent advice and take your money, is to get a recommendation from another professional who knows them and has worked with them--preferably more than one recommendation, from different people who don't know each other. If I were you, I would hunt around the nearest large city for attorneys who know securities law, and I would ask them, or their administrative staff, if they would be willing to contact a couple of their clients and ask them if they will talk to you about their investment business (they can't tell you who their clients are, of course--the client would have to 'opt in'). Simultaneously, I would hunt around for investment professionals who are already doing what you want to do (professional associations are one way to find some) and I would ask them about their thoughts about types of exams and also about attorneys they have used. Most people will be willing to talk to you if you let them think that you are a kid still wet behind the ears, and not a serious competitor. If they don't have answers to your questions, ask them if they have a colleague you can talk to and request an e-mail introduction to that person. By calling a lot of people who are investment professionals in the same area, you will find that a few of the same attorneys' names crop up. These are likely to be the respected individuals that you might want to be contacting. And by asking the same questions of everyone, you'll get an idea of where you ought to be heading education and credentials-wise. Just talk to a lot of people, and eventually the picture will start to come together.

    Make sure any attorney you use is personally recommended by others who are involved in this area of business. Just because they are on a list provided by the state bar does not mean anything--nobody vets those lists very much, and anyone can be on them. Then have a conversation with the ones you think you may be interested in, and evaluate whether they can communicate with you effectively (my experience has been that some attorneys aren't skilled at this). They should be able to explain issues relevant to you in a way that you, a non-attorney, can understand.

    I have used this method many times, for many purposes. As a mundane example: to buy a house in a strange town I once moved to. I kept calling lenders and agents and asking them to recommend each other. Eventually just by asking a lot of questions you start to hear the same names and find out where the cream is. Needless to say, there are plenty of lenders and agents who are crooks or just careless, and the other lenders and agents know damn well who they are. They won't outright tell you who they are--but you also won't find many people recommending them.

    Most people choose others to help them for silly reasons--they like the person, or their friend or neighbor likes them or recommends them. You can come up with something more concrete than that. My personal experience has been that my friends and neighbors don't usually have a clue, but just choose people for emotional reasons.

    Best of luck to you.
     
    #31     May 13, 2009
  2. Good strategy on seeking out attorney.
    I will definately keep that in mind.
     
    #32     May 14, 2009

  3. Agreed up to last sentence of post. Again, like I did for someone else in an earlier clarification, this is not "financial advice" as much as it is "market" or "stock/eft individual stock investing advice". Meaning that I am serving a narrow niche of investors portfolios. Not necessarily giving advice on entire current investment porfolio. Furthermore, if you can make money for your clients first and foremost (without breaking the law), that is what counts. And just because I do not "sound" familiar with the rules and regulations and how to go about this does not mean I do not know and do not have any acumen on giving advice about future good/bad individual investment selections. After all, that is why I am on here in the first place - to gain more input on certain steps to take. One does not necessarily have anything directly to do with the other. I will not make this clarification again.
     
    #33     May 14, 2009
  4. Good point. I will be sure to do that when marketing myself to outside future clients. Interestingly, if setting up an advisory firm, can and do you even provide that data in contrast to setting up future hedge/mutual funds?

    Technically, setting up a fund would need past performance data. Does an advisory firm need this?

    I guess the above is just another question for a securities lawyer.

    As far as what I am trying to achieve, please see first post of thread again.
     
    #34     May 14, 2009
  5. I recently checked this website out. It seems intriguing. However, they do not go into specifics on how much in fees or income you can earn depending upon success rate. Is it fee or percentage per number of followers, per profit on trade etc..??

    Anyone know more on that?
     
    #35     May 14, 2009
  6. wenzi

    wenzi

    http://www.covestor.com/how/fees

    Individual managed accounts , if they use your picks, you are paid a 'data fee'
     
    #36     May 14, 2009
  7. Yep, I got that. But, they do not mention any numbers or percentages though. Also, they do not specify what their cut or rake out of successful, consistent members are.

    Anyhow, for now the site may not be applicable to me until some months pass because their faq's explain that they do not link currently with derivative instruments such as options or futures.
     
    #37     May 14, 2009
  8. sjfan

    sjfan

    Wonder how long before one of the "advisors" blow up and these guys get sued. Last time I checked, investing with a sub advisor on the merit of a just a weeks/months/years on performance alone without any other due diligence doesn't satisfy reasonable care and the prudent investor rule; I can see ground for a suit

     
    #38     May 14, 2009
  9. I think your attitude answered the question rather well. You are not qualified.

    Secondly, you are trolling for free, legal advice from anonymous people on the web, rather than spending the money necessary to get solid advice from others who may actually have a clue.

    I hope you don't get any victims (oops, customers)...
     
    #39     May 14, 2009
  10. wenzi

    wenzi

    The RIA is probably the only one that is going to take a percentage. The average member is not an RIA, and they need to be paid a fee not based on percentages or assets under management. ( Insert relevant legal exceptions here )

    So it will have to be some sort of 'data fee', such as a monthly amount for each follower.
     
    #40     May 14, 2009