Tos - Prodigio

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by RedEyeFly, May 29, 2010.

  1. For me it's primarily been back testing on the Wizard tool. (I'm not much further into their program). Some days the back testing capability works great, others not at all, it just sits and spins. I tried to understand if there was a variable which causes this either in my computer system, TOS system, or with some setting inside Prodigio - alas, I can't find a single action which causes or resolves this problem.
     
    #11     May 31, 2010
  2. Talked to Prodigio folks. As previously mentioned, the software is in a beta form. Should be ready for live trading by late June.

    Apparently they shut down the wizard lab for maintenance occasionally as well.
     
    #12     Jun 2, 2010
  3. They are also putting in a Prodigio chat room (alongside the other TOS chatrooms). So, those of using the software can talk about issues directly as they happen.
     
    #13     Jun 2, 2010
  4. darp

    darp

    I have been working on automated trading since 2001. It is very hard to do for real.

    History:

    1. Started with Tradestation, it could not backtest a basket of stocks, just 1 stock at a time.

    Then they are crooks, when the lowered their commision about 6 years ago in half, they did not lower mine, overcharging me by $12,000 ( I trade a lot was one of their best customers)

    When I caught them they said I should have caught them sooner, and refused to give me my money back, what total crooks. So quit using them.

    2. Switched to Wealthlab before the buyout by Fid. Much better backtesting, baskkets. Got to know founders pretty good, but then Fid buyout could not use IB. Fid comms much higher.

    3. So went to Rightedge, did get it working with IB, but not easy as I had large list of stocks, so with 100 stocks ready to fire it chewed up a lot of RAM in the IB app it talks with. Also got to know founders of RE. Also worked with Rene Koch on codeing, but he will dissappear for weeks on end.

    So with well over 1,000 hours, likley over 3,000 hours of work into autotrading I am not doing it now due to the problems/limitations with it.

    Then saw Prodigo yesterday while cjhecking out TOS.

    The interface looks good, love the ability to mix diffrent time frames, it appears to overcome the #1 problem of others, which it waiting till end of bar before any action can be done (Prd appears to be able to detect and act on gap ups and down). BUT saw no optimization.


    IS THERE OPTIMIZATION BUILT IN (RUN 10 TESTS ON A PARAMETER SET AT 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) TO SEE WHAT WORKS BEST?

    CAN IT PAY ATENTION TO ANOTHER STOCK OR ETF? LIKE BUY msft WHEN 6DMA CROSSES 12 DMA AND SPY 15MIN CHART RSI IS OVER 50?

    I read the mesgs here, thanks for info.
     
    #14     Jul 4, 2010
  5. Not yet. But they say it will be able to do it in the near future.
     
    #15     Jul 5, 2010
  6. darp

    darp

    thanks.

    Does it do optimization? The competition does.

    -Darp
     
    #16     Jul 5, 2010
  7. bluenomad

    bluenomad

    Folks,
    I just read this thread. I've been testing out Prodigio for a few days and have seen quite a few bugs relative to backtesting. At the moment for example, Trailing Stops don't work at all. I'm fearful of wasting a lot of time here. Any updates/thoughts on how much more time they really need to make this system functional? I'm willing to work around bugs, but not by losing dough or a lot of time.
    Thx.
     
    #17     Sep 22, 2010
  8. Truth be told, as one of the earlier posters noted, I spent considerable time trying design systems on the 'consumer' platforms (prodigio, wealthlab, ect...) which did not require any programming knowledge.

    After considerable frustration I bought a few books on C++ / C# programming and hired a professional programmer to do the actual coding.
    When talking to computers, it's all about accuracy and control of your program - two things which were impossible to guarantee without actually having a hand in scientific level coding, or where all of your commands are actually someone else's scripting, and consequently severely limiting.

    Anyhow, hope this little bit of prospective helps.
     
    #18     Sep 22, 2010
  9. joe4422

    joe4422

    Just to answer a previous posters question about TOS data, yes, it's very bad. Just pull back an historical chart of the ES on a daily chart you'll find candles for Saturdays. It's really just a double of the previous Friday's candle.

    They love to add features and tools, which are great for a newbie trader that wants to play and experience things for free, but everything they have is unreliable because their quotes are so unreliable. They freeze all the time for example. How could you trust an automated system with them?

    It is true that most of the time, most things work all right, but to have an automated system running my money with their quotes, no way.
     
    #19     Sep 22, 2010
  10. bluenomad

    bluenomad

    OK. Do you have any thoughts when they might have their act together, if ever? Do you trust them to get it right eventually? Thx.
     
    #20     Sep 22, 2010