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For the person who passed, please show us:
1) how many combines you have taken
2) how much money you have made from TST trading with them live (track record)

We will subtract your combine costs from your profits that you have withdrawn (which have a profit split) and we will see if you made more than a McDonalds worker

 

In addition, can someone explain why the head of the scout team (John Hoagland) is a failed screen trader? He has 30 years of experience on the floor but he can't make a dime trading on the screen.

a) AND so he is the head of the scout team for screen traders who pass the combine and decides if these traders take LTP

b) AND he also does or did lessons for screen traders


Someone please explain another phenomenon.
Why is another failed screen trader Eddie Horn, who has 28 years of experience on the floor but can't make a dime screen trading made to be:

a)The Chatroom Broadcaster who gives advice to traders and provides his failed screen trader wisdom to others

b) Gets other failed screen traders, preferably men that have "deep voices" (they have commanding voices and make great marketers he says) to join him on the show


How can one become successful by listening to failed screen traders, educators who pay TST to advertise their services, educators who are invited to advertise their services for free, marketers, men with deep voices, funded traders who do interviews when they get funded by taking 20 combines in fees and then move back to the combine, and the Pit Committee which is a herd of failed screen traders working for TST?

 

Real Tradr, I have been asking myself the same questions about Hoag and Eddie. Didn't make sense to me, thought I was missing something. Thanks for the post
seadog

 

1) When can we see, for the sake of transparency and "fair play", copies of each year of your tax returns, with all attachments, since you were 16 years of age?
2) Please stop using multiple aliases.

 

This is not for transparency or fair play, there is no need for him to do anything, if you read all my posts, that simply proves this my friend:

If you do research and look at the funded trading interviews on their channel you will find that most of them all joke about how many combines they have taken because it is so many. If you check the name of the funded trader they interview you will see that person is no longer with TST because they got sent back to the combine tried again and quit TST.

The funded traders that are still with TST, I had asked them how much they make or were they were in their trading (in a non demanding way) and they all say they are working on building a cushion.

In addition I have seen those traders that take 6-10 combines, get funded do an interview, go back to the combine, then get funded again and rarely withdrew 1-2 times and then went back to the combine.

The point here obviously from this information is that your net yearly income is not only break-even but it is negative from all the combine costs.

Hence the point is not to pass the combine and go "Ha!! I passed, now they will send me 30k in my bank account." Because what happens then is these TST traders cannot beat a job at working at McDonalds


Why am I MAKING and POVING this point my friend?

Because this company is tricking traders and making false claims in order to steal their money.

a)They provide a professional chatroom with professional market commentary:
in reality they have a failed screen traders commentary and educators/marketers selling you their education materials, promoting it on a scheduled basis.

b)They have a professional trader with 25 years experience in the pits, John Hoagland, provide educational trading classes:
In reality John is a failed screen trader who is providing his failed screen trading wisdom to other screen traders



I understand that a herd develops around any business. Like when I started trading I remember joining a chatroom and finding out the trader was a marketer lying about his results. However, when proven he was a fraud, the herd that developed around him did not care, they stood by his side because they enjoyed his entertainment and how he kept their dreams of making money in the markets alive, they did not want to face reality. However, my friend please do not interrupt those that make individualistic decisions and are aiming at a goal. Those that take accountability and admit they were wrong in choosing this path and need to make things right. Like those that were tricked by this company. It makes you feel like an idiot when you admit something. You want to feel good about yourself and stay on the happy easy side. I understand your naive mind

Thank You

 

Everyone read all four of your total posts behind this new alias due to the fact that you are too embarrassed to keep rehashing the same crap thru the prior alias to this.

Bottom line? You wasted four posts that simply piled on the same drivel as umpteen prior posts in this already too-long thread.

Yes, TST makes a profit from traders. Arguably said traders "lose" far less money to TST program than they would to the open market itself with HFTs on the other side of those real losses. Let's face it now: if TST traders cannot navigate the funding process entirely, they'd only lose their assets in the real market otherwise.

Now wouldn't they? Am I right or right? Take your pick of those two choices, it is one or the other

On the business side of things, trading ANY financial market is damn hard. Stocks, options, futures, FX, day trades, swing trades, trend trades, spread trades... all really, really hard to accomplish consistent success.

So it's no surprise that the TST success rate is reflective of that. Same general percentage anywhere else. Why do you think most of the prop firms are shuttered and out of business? Why do you think retail trader participation in stocks and futures markets is at all-time recent lows?

If the traders inside TST cannot succeed there once the combines are passed, they surely cannot succeed anywhere else. If your gripe is that TST profits from this normal rate of attrition in the same manner the general market would profit from even larger realized losses, then you have a personal envy issue with TST.

 

1) The research on the funded trader interviews and funded traders concludes that your net yearly income is not only break-even but it is negative from all the combine costs. Even if you "pass" the combine, after taking 10, and then get moved back to the combine, you made less money than a person working in McDonalds.
So you cannot meet the misleading information that TST provides. If you get funded it does not mean you are a successful and a consistently profitable trader, as you cannot pass 20k annuay

That is why when you want to get BACKED by a prop firm they ask you for a TWO YEAR TRACK RECORD. Without this document they will not even RESPOND to you. When you walk into a Dentist office they have their certification hanging on the wall proving they are a Dentist. That is why if you want to get backed by a Prop firm or work in a managed fund, you need to send them your PROOF that you are a consistently profitable trader. There is no other certification that you can get to prove you are a consistent trader in this industry.

Am I right or right? Take your pick of those two choices, it is one or the other


2) "They provide a professional chatroom with professional market commentary: 
in reality they have a failed screen traders commentary (Eddie Horn) and educators/marketers selling you their education materials, promoting it on a scheduled basis."
=They are lying about their professional chatroom and education to lure and trick novice traders to steal their money ON PURPOSE

Am I right or right? Take your pick of those two choices, it is one or the other


3) They have a professional trader with 25 years experience in the pits, John Hoagland, provide educational trading classes: 
In reality John is a failed screen trader who is providing his failed screen trading wisdom to other screen traders
=They are lying about their Professional education to lure and trick novice traders to steal their money ON PURPOSE

Am I right or right? Take your pick of those two choices, it is one or the other


As I have PROVED these statements with SUPPORTING EVIDENCE are you going to ignore them like the other 2 times? Or disprove them with nonsupporting evidence? Its your choice, but the people who read this will know and understand the truth. This is the purpose, I have seen too many newbies get tricked up to the point of devastation and keep trying and listening to the wrong people
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That is well said. It is a fantastic statement were you say that these traders are just losers and if they can't pass the combine what do you think they will do on their live accounts? They may not be losers but it is because trading is difficult, so the results are reflective of trading itself, how only 5% make money consistently.

In fact I used to be just like you. Whenever I heard someone say that trading is a scam I would just tell them: "If you can't do it, don't talk for everyone. Yes trading is tough but it doesn't mean because you failed it is impossible for everyone." It makes sense doesn't it? That is why I said it and you are right,

HOWEVER.

Everything changed when I got disgusted with that positive type attitude of mine BECAUSE I would look at my own performance and say, I am unsuccessful myself, why is it? Why am I defending these ppl if I myself am unsuccessful, what right do I have? I have kept a journal, recorded my trading, took pics of my trading, stayed disciplined, understood risk, statistics and why wasn't I successful? It clicked that everything I listened to and everyone I learned from were unsuccessful themselves. They were great people but were all educators, it was time I made decisions by myself.


I began to look for Verified traders with Verified track records. You can imagine that 5% of traders make money consistently, most of them don't care about teaching someone or being your mentor and you had to find one.

But I came across a verification service that is called Profit.ly. On there there are ways to upload trades one by one to Fake them and cherry pick them (you can see by the different timestamps). Or you can upload your whole year or month to month trading results at one time and add a video on top showing you are doing that, that way your trades are 100% Verified(no way to fake it). And I found Nathan and his chatroom that has REAL traders who SHOW ALL of their accounts, and all VERIFY their accounts on Profit.ly the right way.

I also came across a trader called Vad Graifer who provided a verified statement from his brokerage of a 1 year track record, showed me his account, let me follow him in his trading room (trial) where he calls trades live that are Time-stamped. He uploads the chat log everyday to his blog as well.

But I stuck with Nathan so I don't know Vad close. As a result I had learned to trade profitably from PROFESSIONALS.

How did I know these were PROFESSIONAL traders?

1)They VERIFY their trades(no matter how, you make sure you know how the verification service works in order to know it's legit) (if it's a brokerage statement you call the brokerage and ask them)

2)And they can show me their accounts anytime I ask. I can follow their trades and they don't say: "why should I show you my track record? you want my passport too? My SSN# ? My car keys? How dare you challenge me?"

There is no bs like that. You get all of your FACTS, your SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.

Why do they have chat rooms? because that sht is $200 a month and they make cash from their trading and from their subscribers.
Become a consistent trader, create a chatroom and people will see that you actually make real money and stay with you through out years, and you have yourself 2 sustainable business.


As I have experienced this difference in education I say that TST makes false claims about trading at TST and their education. You cannot "DEVELOP" into a professional Trader at TST and you are not taught by Professionals.

Who is the majority that come to TST? the Novice traders who are unsuccesful. What does TST do? they tell them thay can develop at TST and become professional traders and even do it full time. They do this in order to trap these people and take their money, because they are a company and have their expenses that need to be payed for. They are a LEGIT company in that you wil get funded, but they ARE NOT an education/ trader development company. So they should not trick all these Novice traders to "Learn" from them and their fake professionals.

I have experienced real education, and know the difference between learning from PROFESSIONALS vs learning from liars. That is all. These novice traders should not believe these false claims. and should never be intimidated to ask for proof.

You are as well a failed trader and do not make more than 20k/year from trading at TST or by yourself, what right do you have to justify them?




It is funny being accused for something you have not done. I am NOT an alias and this is my first time joining this forum. However, I cannot prove that and neither can you. Only if you tell me who you are referring to and see if we match in knowledge and in tone. It is sad that you say I am someone else because that tells me there was only one person who came to this similar realization.

Hence, there should be no further conversation about this as any further accusations are futile without PROOF (I see you don't like to use supporting evidence, Have you graduated college? as I know some traders have not since there is no required degree to be trading)


The only thing you should be concerned about are my statements and agreeing with them as they are backed with supporting evidence.

If you do not, you will be severely punished haha (now I am testing your sense of humor, see what I did there?)

 

like I said before, and before, and before, and before that...

all I care about is the money side of TST. I know how to trade. A lot of other people do too. I happen to know a lot of people from my time spent working with traders who would like to participate with a real funded opportunity if it exists.

so consider me a group guinea pig. If I'm funded and proceed successfully, a lot of other traders who matter to me will try to follow suit. I'm interested in being funded to a size where someday down the road I can trade all the futures contracts I desire for 80% OPM share.

If that happens, I'll spend all my own money on sinful pleasures and only trade theirs.

If that does not happen, if for any reason the TST funding fails to materialize, I'm no different then than now.

I don't care who teaches what at TST. I don't care what goes on in the chatroom there. Most other combine participants don't care, either. Show us the funding program, we'll check it out for ourselves and make our own decisions. What comes to pass after that is certainly not a matter of life or death. It's merely a potential opportunity for funding in part or whole of one's operation.

Nothing more. Don't overthink the process here.

 

Wow,
Nice post RealTrader. Cup your balls with one hand and grab the back of your neck with the other hand. If "they" are about the same size then you will not be run off of here.
:eek:

 

Yes I see. It's good. "I don't care who teaches at TST or what goes on in the chat rooms" only care about that they are a legit funding company. Because that is the ONLY thing you should be concerned about. That's fantastic

But man I just hate watching this, it is very difficult to become a successful consistent trader and the sht available for retail traders is sht man. I mean you will try to do the combine and there is a high chance you may fail to make it work (as is in trading itself the odds are against you). So what then, you quit and say you didn't succeed because you weren't good enough.

It's just I used to be very competitive in sports and played in leagues and competitions and found a lot of success. That success was due to my great mentor teaching me about human anatomy and how to master my own body.

So with this knowledge I became successful, and I would watch other sportsmen listen to their bs trainers' advice and thinking what they say is the truth and will help them, but the reality was a lot of what they said was absolutely misleading.

Trading reminds me of this same experience. As I watch other traders fail it is like they are trying to win at a slot machine (where the odds are against them obv.)
And their trainer/ educator is telling them to not give up, "have persistence, this is just like any other sport, stay more disciplined, work on your legs more,"

With this type of knowledge the trader won't even have a chance to compete.

So it is simply this side of things that most traders that come to TST or anywhere else and fail not entirely from their own faults, they lack some knowledge that is nearly impossible to find, and then they create false beliefs thinking they can do it and just go to great devastation for no reason. I wish These companies that realize this and not use it to take advantage of people like they do.
I like stepping in to help an protect people. To be the team leader and dominate and intimidate the opponent or threat.

You are absolutely right in what you say, however.

Thank you and have a great day and good like to you and your trader friends you little guinea pig

Thank you once again and Good Luck