TopstepTrader and Patak Trading Partners- Any and all questions answered here

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by MichaelPatak, Aug 31, 2012.

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  1. londonkid

    londonkid

    that is a surprise michael. $5 for a RT on ES geez that is high. it says $1.25 plus exchange fess. The exchange fees for the ES are 19c RT if you are on the top tier rebate volume, I could live with $2 RT's just about but $5 is way over the odds, it is very easy for an outfit to get sub $1 RT's on the ES even creaming of a dollar a RT gives you $2.

    this worries me , that is excessive.
     
    #701     Oct 3, 2012
  2. #702     Oct 3, 2012
  3. Forgive me if this has already been answered, but:

    Say someone gets funded on a lower level combine (30k or 50k)..

    How would they move up to 100k+ or the custom funding levels?



    Also, are commission breaks possible in circumstances (volume)?
     
    #703     Oct 3, 2012
  4. think I got it figured out... day late and -$5000 unrealized short <wince>

    I didn't know where the "close position" button was, and I kept erring between the T and S buttons for enablement.

    Now, after the fact, I got it set for OCO -15 / +100 ticks CL and -12 / +40 ticks ZS. So that eliminates need for fumbling between T and S buttons to figure what's what. Leave it on T and auto-enable stops on fill.

    Another quandary I couldn't figure out: resting orders would move as price moved. A stop at 91.50 set would change on its own to 91.52 and then 91.54 without me using any type of trail order. So I'd have to manually cancel and reset while price is flying all around.

    Anyways, none of that is Topstep or T4 faults. Purely on me for thinking I had it all down pat. I'm above initial capital, I've got eight days left in this sequence and see how it sifts out. Will look at your instructions on how to reflect full orders.

    With -$1,000 max loss on five contracts max size, there is no way to control risk other than scale-in as price advances in favor. It's not like my goal is to hit 5-lots on every trade, only when key situations exist. But the ability to blend orders of 1-short and 2-short as a trade followed by 1-long, 2-long and 2-long as a second trade would be vital.
     
    #704     Oct 3, 2012
  5. londonkid- Commissions are $1.25 per contract plus exchange fees. Exchange fees are about $1.25 or less if i remember right, so about $2.50 a side or $5 a RT.

    This is what I pay when I trade as well.

    mp
     
    #705     Oct 3, 2012
  6. londonkid

    londonkid

    wow not sure what to say. if an outfit is doing 10,000+ ES per month then you can get an all in RT for 85c by leasing a seat.

    exchange fees 27.5c per side. (lease a seat qualify for 23.5c exchange discount on 10,000 pm volume)

    commission 15c per side (pretty easy to find a broker to do this)

    TOTAL = 42.5c per side

    ALL IN RT cost = 85c

    you can lease a seat for $300 pm.

    http://www.cmegroup.com/company/membership/membership-pricing-cme-lease-prices.html

    use a platform with nil RT cost.
     
    #706     Oct 3, 2012
  7. Was Mike more interested in butting heads with londonkid than answer questions? :/
     
    #707     Oct 3, 2012
  8. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Jack, I think I can answer this. It's my understanding that once you meet the capital threshold, you can trade as much as you want in terms of size. So there really is no limitation. I think those numbers are 5k and 10k.
     
    #708     Oct 3, 2012
  9. Thanks.

    So that means you're leaving equity with them to build a 15k buffer so you can do as you pleas?

    That 15k is a first loss type deal eh?
     
    #709     Oct 3, 2012
  10. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Well, technically only 9k of that 15k is yours. The other 6k is their equity. So you are risking giving back theirs and your equity. This is based on the 60/40 split.
     
    #710     Oct 3, 2012
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