TopstepTrader and Patak Trading Partners- Any and all questions answered here

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by MichaelPatak, Aug 31, 2012.

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  1. Video archives?

    Live interactive chat room?

    Oh man, I am in.....

    But I think the real kicker is their shrink department.

    Would really love to lie on a couch and shoot the breeze after a hard trading day.
     
    #161     Sep 2, 2012
  2. hitnrun

    hitnrun

    hi mav74

    thanks,

    yes , no easy answer , my guess is most prefer to trade stocks then other instruments

    futures are tougher to trade for most people , a different beast

    Not a matter how much money but overall consistently profitable

    day trading stocks is the favorite & most gravitate to over the years
     
    #162     Sep 3, 2012
  3. OK people… Had some good laughs while reading this thread…

    All I have to say is that gmst is both a gentleman and a scholar!

    Let’s pretend that McDonalds charged their recruits $150 to practice making burgers with plastic toys until they become an expert burger maker. Now after that they get paid a commission based on how many burgers they made, would you do it?

    Because what Patak is doing is even worse! In fact, I can absolutely guarantee that you would make more money at McDonalds under this model over your career than you would at Patak under their model!

    Gmst you don’t even need to bother with the math…

    SIMPLE RULES FOR SCAM DETECTION:

    1. If you have to pay to go to work, it’s a scam!
    2. If it uses creepy terms like combine, commune or training lab it’s a scam.
    3. If you’re a “business partner” and you don’t get to make any of the rules, it’s a scam!
    4. If you’re an employee but had to put up cash to work there, it’s a scam.
    5. If you put up all the cash but have to share the profits, it’s a scam!

    The list could go on…!
     
    #163     Sep 3, 2012
  4. You got it... But then the ones that succeed can't really stay there for very long.
     
    #164     Sep 3, 2012
  5. I asked this before, but question was lost in hundreds of others. I hope someone from Patak can answer this:
    Will you fund a trader who is profitable in last 5 years, but not profitable last year (and last month)?
     
    #165     Sep 3, 2012
  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I wouldn't. I think daytrading is very different from swing trading and longer term trading in that it's very environment dependent. It's all about the "now". The fact that you killed it back in 2008 tells me nothing of your ability to make money in this shitty low vol tape. I've seen this first hand at the various prop firms I've been with. You really need to see guys perform in this tape before you back them.

    I think longer term trading this is much less a factor unless someone has a specific quantitative edge that has gone away. We kind of discussed this earlier in the thread the pros and cons of that.
     
    #166     Sep 3, 2012
  7. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    This analysis is absurd as you basically just said every prop firm out there is a scam. Your post was pure nonsense.
     
    #167     Sep 3, 2012
  8. Thank you for your answer, but I really would like to hear "yes" or "no" from Patak.
     
    #168     Sep 3, 2012
  9. This question has already been answered. They make everyone go through the combine and do not look at resumes at all, so no they wouldn't take someone who had 5 years of profit and than a year of losses. Again if one is already consistently profitable for years, why would you need TsT?
     
    #169     Sep 3, 2012
  10. You don`t understand what you`re talking about like most others in this thread.

    What most of you are discussing is your perception or opinion about their business model, since you have not checked the facts before launching your attacks and criticism.

    For 20 pages it was an outrage because of the unrealistic profit objective that needed to be met after going live. This was flat out wrong from the start, so there was really nothing to discuss in the first place.

    Then there were long discussions about the trailing stop rule applied to OPEN profits, elaborate mathematical examples, etc, which again was flat out wrong since the rule only applies to REALIZED profits.

    Disagree with the business model if you want to, but at least understand what it is that you are discussing and disagreeing with.

    I have to say that I`m questioning the intelligence and cognitive abilities of more than one poster after reading this thread.
     
    #170     Sep 3, 2012
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