Too much market research

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Joe Ross, Nov 27, 2009.

  1. This ia a thread take over and we all admit it from this point.

    Log and annotate as follows. I may put a chart up on my screen at some point.

    We wheel into the open and set the RTL and kill the gap. we have to trade both retraces and a one reversal when it comes. Both means two kinds of price movements and knowing which is which from their inception.

    Remember I have flown to coup over 100 times when peoiple have asked me to prove what I suggest is true. some people lack proof of what I am suggesting as a deductive statement is NOT proven.

    We see to go long very shortly after the open on bar 1. An order of events has begun to unfold and we are USING this order of events yet once agin for the moillionth time or so over the course of 53 years.

    If GOD asked you to hike up a mountain and get ten commandments and give them to the people, you do it.

    On the open, I follow what the market tells me to obey. I degap and annotate the RTL because I am going through a REVERSAL of market SENTIMENT.

    You SEE the FTT you SEE the BO of the RTL by price. THIS IS A REVERSAL.

    Bar 1 of the day is bar 6 of the parttern I am trading. I am typing this without looking at a chart. I will ge the chart out, however, after this post.

    On bar two I put in the long RTL using the gapped point 1 and the bottom of bar 1. I also see that I have a VE on bar 1 at the top of the bar.

    I am in long, I have a VE so I check to see if I have an Move 1 and More 2 coming up and, if so I am going to hold long until the end of the Move 2.

    My little fingers are just typing from memory.

    I have started a reversal and I am from the trop of bar 1 expecting a retrace short thyen a dominant move long from the END of this retrace called Move 1.

    For one bar I have given you your money's worth and gotten reversals and retraces on the table.

    lets roll.

    I have longged bar 1 as an OB B. This means Outside Bar Black. I am in long from the time the price hit bottom and bagan to return to the lower gapped value of bar 81. I know that I know I am in bar 6 of a long trade beginning with friday's open.

    just soak it up an go with the flow. And log. You will print your log at the end of my posts after bar 21. It will be in the form of what is called "crapy handwriting". If you do this exercise 50 times you will be makiing a lot of money. This is paragraph 40 of this post.
     
    #11     Nov 29, 2009
  2. I log as a countdown from 300 to 0 each five minute bar.

    Bar 2 ends as a FTP R/B. This means I logged a two bar yellow (which means it is an automated box) that represents a deductive case in the subset which wxcluded price translation in a trend.

    It good enough for me that I hav an internal and the internal is Black on the second bar. FTP means flat top pennant. The two bars in order are Red/Black. That is what I see. The red bar is miscolored for platform failure reasons.

    We are long and makin bacon. Post a few bars of Friday open so others can see them. I am operating on my mind's view here.

    I am checking bottoms of bars to see when the Move 1 down is done and I return to dominant long on move 2. I have the two moves because I closed bar 1 in the "zone". See glossary. This is paragraph 40 of this post.
     
    #12     Nov 29, 2009
  3. Bopping along.

    Bar 3 is X B. X B means translating black. HH's and Hl's as they say in PA. We hold. We have a VE too. Accelerate the RTL. We hold and notice we have to ACCELERATE the RTL of this pattern. We want to know that we know. More M1 and M2 is possible. The VE is a move 2 from bar 1 VE.

    Bar 4 is logged as Sym B/B. This means on bar 5 we hyave to fan the RTL to slow down the trending. since we had a non translation situation as deduced from all the cases of bar pairs. This comes from the hypothesis set (HS) and its parametric measure(PM) as my mind is differentiated I know that I know like driving a car.

    A sym B/B represents a retace off the LTL. ALL RETRACES START ON THE LTL by deduction using the HS and the PM.

    we have accelerated the RTL and fanned it too.

    We stay in the container for bars 5, 6, and 7 all by the X B character.

    We are making bacon

    bar 7 spikes down (known as a move from left to right) as a retrace item. This is paragraph 40.
     
    #13     Nov 29, 2009
  4. We are 30 mins into a long hold and bar 7 and 8 form a sym B/R. this means we are in the second leg of the pattern, the nondom retrace from left to right. we have to fan the RTL to the bar 9 bottom (the bar after the internal TBY). The trend is "working"; we are holding on the retrace rather than being hot shots trading a faster opening fractal.

    This is the "30 minute trader" routine that makes 75,000 a year per contract. Do not consider that it happens every day as any form of proof.
    A way of checking it out is to trade 10 contracts through the first pattern and see if there is (non compounded) 750,000 in your account after a year. Or you can see this for five years and bitch.
     
    #14     Nov 29, 2009
  5. This is the rinse and repeat post of 120 paragraph equivalent.

    X B 9, 10, 11 then do internal and fan.


    X B 13, 14, 15, then do internal and fan.

    17 is mellow: sym to FBP to hitch to Stitch to hitch with Volume increase.

    We are fucking close to taking profits.
    try to fan but no fan needed this trend has reached its mellow stage.

    LOOL FOR a REVERSAL!!!!!!!!!!!
    that was paragraph 40.
     
    #15     Nov 29, 2009
  6. dip time

    18 is a sym B/R!!!!!

    19 X R

    20 SYM R/B to FTP B/R To X R

    21 does four things and you go through the BO of the RTL on a REVERSAL

    the FTT was on 20 and you had pt 1 of the short.

    The trade........

    The order of events gives you the fact that you are in a reversal which ALWAYS begins with an FTT of the prior trend.

    LOG, LOOK LEAP

    as you hit T to get out and hit T to reverse short. You see the partial fills just roll.

    As you are in a comtainer you HOLD. IF an FTT comes up you did NOT make it to the LTL where retrace begins.

    If you want to step up and trade across the container you trade the retaces, their ends and the dominants that follow.

    This is paragraph 40.

    do this 50 times and you can trade anything by being in all the time and being on the right side all the time.

    your welcome.
     
    #16     Nov 29, 2009
  7. Now that we have knocked off a 20 bar hold and reversed from long into a short, we can look at thefiner points of retraces and reversals.

    In the three moves of a pattern (B2B 2R 2B or R2R 2B 2R) there are dominant and non dominant portions. ALL retraces are non dominant. So a person trading to make money decides when to or when to not trade a non dominat price move.

    Lets say we divide traders into two groups. Those who use volume and those who do not. PA trading does not use volume and these people use entry exit strategies and they do not recognize the identity nature of an exit and an extry in the opposite direction. This is the source of most people who learn failure and quit.

    Volume allows a person to "differentiate" between dominant and non dominant moves. Price does too. BUT "when" the differentiation takes place is different for PA people and P, V persons.

    Both a retrace and a reversal are moves from left to right. Cool. Both begin on decreasing volume and after a peak volume.

    On Friday, I operated from a beginner level as I narrated. The log only shows for the most part the End of Bar formation for two consecutive bars. 10 of the twenty bars ended with X B, menaing translation Black which is HH's and HL's. The separation of groups of X B's was brief non dominant retrace periods. Think of a PA person; he enters at the end of a retrace to pick off a dominant price move. He is out of the market for 2/3 of the trend and only picks off the last third going into the failure of the trend. He can't tell a retrace from a reversal either. He sits through all reversals which begin as retraces he does not trade.

    Setups automatically keep PA traders on the sidelines from all intial strong trending price moves for one reason: ALL initial strong price trending moves begin as reversals of the prior trend. Sometimes a person appears to have potential. When they do I goose them a little further.

    The topic of picking off a reversal starting a trend is very important and differentiating it from a retrace is the major clue for going from beginner to intermediate. None od the PA journals ever picked up on the difference between a retrace and a reversal. So here we are going to do it as a series of 40 paragraph posts. What we prove is that I do not write 40 paragraph posts and never have and we deductively prove how from the instant of beginning a person who is becoming an intermediate trader can pick off retraces and reversals with zero risk.

    By coming up with a cogent set of definitions I can help support getting the person's mind differentiated. Statd another way, by sedcribing or calling trades 9in advance I can get the person to differentiate and have that become his long term first recourse memory.

    Elsewhere many people posted on how a mind could be destroyed and not ever return to usful trading potential. We head that off here with 40 paragraph posts one after another. Humor is part of skills in trading.

    A skilled person sees when the market is really fucking over peoiple who have to be "right" always.

    Here we find that a retrace begins on the left side of the container. The left side of the container means that price is on the left trend line. Left trend lines get drawn ALWAYS after right trend lines. About five seconds after. We look at DBPhoenix who would NOT draw LTL's. He had to be "right" instead.

    If you draw LTL's you get to see retraces (my definition); if not you get to get fucked royally by think9ing the "end" of a retrace is a place the enter and make money. watch sooo many people, if they report textually, say they entred and "the trade went against them". "The trade went against them " means they fucked up unknowingly since they did not annotate. If you do not annotat, th market is not capable of giving you tells. "Boring" means a peson does not and is not capable of annotating. All LTL's a clones or duplicates.

    A retrace is a non dominat price move that ALWAYS begins on a LTL if a person has annotated the LTL. Otherwise the person is "guessing" a retrace has begun and he is going to guewss next the retrace he guessed has ended.

    So now we know, absolutely, why most potential traders keep experimenting until they think they has a backtestable edge that is never going to make them any money.

    They forward test it for three years and get audited statements to please fucked up non traders and find out they do not have an edge to try to sell for 250,000 dollars. So they ask newbies to tell them things so they can make up a trading method to sell to future newbies.

    Here in a sentence I say: "a retrace begins on an annotated LTL". You trade it as a non doninat price move. In the pattern this is called "going from pt 2 to pt 3. You annotate acceleration and you annotate fanning on the bar after a TBY. TBY, remember means internal (Two bar Yellow). How did various platform sales corporations begin to use TBY's. They were told to. they were told about the deductive reasonning and the possible cases of two bar combos.

    If a peson can drwa a container, then he can learn to modify it from "tells" of the market. In my opinion, nodoji could have been an expert trader in 6 weeks. Nodoji had to do drills, however.

    Price moves to a place on peak volume. It is or is NOT on the LTL. Either way it moves on declining non dominant volume from left to right as we end paragraph 40 of this post.
     
    #17     Nov 29, 2009
  8. Here in this post we pick up on the peaking volume whereby price has NOT reached an annotated LTL. This is the FTT moment. we get one per trend and the FTT can be cancelled much later due to something we keep track of while we make money.

    We always keep making money by a Principle as old as tulips and the great grain races from Australia(100days or less, See NGM) where all the prominent most stupid OCD's now live. We are always on the "correct" side of the market. When we dod not know that we know we are on the sidelines after taking a profit.

    we have a context, visualy, and if we speak aloud, we have a double value context for our mind's long term memory. hre we summon up 90% of perception from our minds as "inference".

    We say aloud: "this is a fucking FTT". We smile and "know that we know".

    It is SOP to reverse on FTT's the same way we know that Jesus (Hay sus in Tucson) want us for a sunbeam". Why? More sunbeams are needed that's why.

    FTT's are the ONLY place EVER that reversals begin. ALL sunbeams know this. what would it be like if Nodoji and bihaog knew all reversals begin at the instant an FTT appears on peaking volume.

    Potential traders are incapable of deductive reasoning since they do not have a hypothesis set not its parametric measure. You have a hypothesis set and its parametric measure.

    you know two words for volume: increasing and decreasing. You know two words for price: continuing and changing.

    When volume goes from increasing to decreasing you are at a retrace or a reversal beginning. If, fucking A, you are on a LTL you anotated you are starting a retrace. If fuck9ing A, you are in the middle between the LTL and the RTL, then you are beginning a reversal. I know reading what I type is lo9ng and laborious (except for OCD's they are just inflamed internally and hating what the HAVE to read).

    So what is emerging is that the differentiation of the mind for retraces and reversals is the CONTEXT of what is going on.

    It is ALL binary and a choice of one thing in a data set over another. Each banary data set of 6 or 7 items IS the market telling you constantly that you know you know AT ALL TIMES.

    Look at bar 119 to 20 to 21. Log the passage of time on four levels. BBT, Sub BBT, sub sub BBT on ES and BBT, sub BBT and subsub BBT on YM. Notice that what is what on ES is much SLOWER on YM or notice what is going on ES is broken out much much finer on YM and YM leads ES on turns.

    I'm sooo tired of reading this crap hershey posts. Of course, an undifferentiated person is that way. He can't make sense of anything I post and he hates it deeply.

    So you are different and you ask a question. The question appeared as part of the path you are on. Look at your last 20 questions.

    this was a last Friday 20 bar question whose real answer is that the pattern onfolds on all fractals as an oreder of events..... If you mind is differentiated the oerder of event is like a clock ticking off the events in a specific order at a given rate of change.

    Stocks do this with a Sharpe ratio of over 60.

    Trading commodities like the ES is 50 times more effective and efficient in term of the application of capital.

    This bcomes the incentive for doing drills over and over until you can annotate, do MADA and trade at various levels of money velocity based on compounding prior profits.

    So how do we exclude the people who have the wrong motivation? They tell us all the time. We cannot pass their Greed test.

    Sit down with someone who is wanting to get this so he can help out others and help solve local problems. He will see the difference between a retrace and a reversal and then he will, in time, help others.

    I didn't look at a chart for this, I just looked at my notes from the debriefing I did with three others this AM. Now, they have some text to go with their debriefing. One of those persons annotated the chart as part of our debriefing.

    what would happen to a person if they did the Friday chart for the first 21 bars and saw and understood the happenings? They would be more able to do it again and again AS it happens in real time.

    What is it like for me? Its like driving a car. I know, Tiger hit a fire plug and a tree. If that happens, you get another Cadillac. What happens to Williams of ASU? He gets to see UA win. Don't drop the ball on the last minute of the game. Trading is very counterintuitive. You have to build your mind so you have the proper first recourse at the proper time.

    Before any retrace or reversal, a context is built. It is found in two places: in your mind and on the fully annotated chart and in the words you speak aloud as you trade. This was the 40th paragraph of this post....lol.......
     
    #18     Nov 29, 2009
  9. Dinner time......

    That was fun.......
     
    #19     Nov 29, 2009
  10. ... this is the longest piece of retarded bullshit I've seen on ET for quite some time.

    Seriously... if there is one "character" in ET that needs to be banned for good... it's jh.
     
    #20     Nov 29, 2009