The proof of full acceptance is your experience of life transfers, immediately, to the life of Christ, 'in heaven'. "In heaven" means the same as "in Christ", which is the same as experiencing your Self AS IT IS. It is the experience of blissful happiness beyond words to describe. Also, you have no more experience of "this world", which is the experience of a condemned, 'dead' Christ. If this is not your experience, then you really need to examine your MOTIVES. We misunderstand, or worse, misrepresent what Jesus taught due to deep seated motivations. As humanoids, we are predisposed to be against Christ, which is also to be against our Self. This predisposition is ancient, and comes before the foundation of any "physical" material universe. All material worlds are tombs for a dead Christ. Have you accepted this? If so, then you admit that as a "live" humanoid, you are a "dead Christ", self-condemned. The material worlds are a tomb for a dead Christ, from the beginning of time to the end of time.
[QUOTE="Good1, post: 5460290, member: 177970 .... self-condemned. The material worlds are a tomb for a dead Christ, from the beginning of time to the end of time.[/QUOTE] %% HUH?? Jesus Christ is not dead, i have had Him save me + heal me. Do yo mean you feel self condemned?? I'm not self condemned, but i dont think ll my words are God's word .
%% HUH?? Jesus Christ is not dead, i have had Him save me + heal me. Do yo mean you feel self condemned?? I'm not self condemned, but i dont think ll my words are God's word .[/QUOTE] Yes, the most "alive" and "healthy" humanoid is a self-condemned "Christ". When we are theoretically vibrant, in our youth, we don't feel "condemned". Nevertheless, we were "born to die", so to speak. Even in our vibrant youth, we are not guaranteed one single day more of aliveness. Anything can happen, tomorrow, to shorten our supposed "life". This is all to say that there was never a time, not even in the legendary garden of Eden, when humanoids were meant, or destined to live forever. We have always been born to die, from the very beginning. How is that not the definition of condemned? Because we are against Christ, we make up excuses as to why we die. These excuses prevent us from finding out how to really live...forever. At a deep level of psychology, we are participating in our own demise. This is all because what we do to Christ, we do to our Selves. This is because Christ IS our true Self. In rejecting Christ, we reject all of the blessings that come with being Christ, including eternal life unchanging. The condemnation of Christ is accomplished through self-deception. Humanoids are conceived out of this fog of self-deception. Christians are not exempt from this self-deception, and so, are not exempt from the condemnation of continual, endemic death...unless they really examine their motives, and work on their un-deception. As a whole, that community has not arrived there yet, and is arguably working hardest to maintain the status quo self-deception, which predates the "beginning" of the material worlds we think of as home. But what is death? Death is change that comes faster, and more radically changing than is comfortable for humanoids. We are changing constantly, as humanoids. It is in our DNA. When we change at a comfortable pace, we call it "life". When we change at an uncomfortable pace, and so radically (from dust we come to dust we return), we call it "death". But it is all change. Christ, on the other hand, does not change. And so, does not die. What does change, is technically dead, already. This is why Jesus would say things like, "let the dead bury the dead". All peoples, "alive", or "dead", constitute a "dead Christ". Time is a tomb, for a dead Christ. Everything that depends upon time for it's "existence", is a dead Christ. We could not be humaniods, in the first place, without first being a CHANGED CHRIST. A changed/changing Christ is a dead Christ. Christians really don't "accept" this. And so, Christ is not yet their living experience as a Self. It could be, tomorrow...if you were ready. As an aspect of the dead Christ, i speak for all other aspects of the dead Christ. Black, White, Greek, Jew, Christian.
We could not be humaniods, in the first place, without first being a CHANGED CHRIST. A changed/changing Christ is a dead Christ. [/QUOTE] %% OH i see what you mean now; you have listened to a talking snake media so much you wrongly think your opinion is as good as God's Word............................................
Or, i have listened to the word of Christ so much, understood it, and agreed with it, that my words are now as good as Christ's. Who is this God you speak of? The God of this world?
%% I agree; as long as you are speaking the Word[Holy Bible]. WHO?? ,Lord Jesus Christ ,Healer, Savior, Lord of Angel Armies ....................................................................
The bible blasphemes Christ in favor of its "God". It endeavors to make Christ the "son" of the god-of-this-world. So no, i dont get my info from the bible, as the function of the bible is to bury Christ, and keep Christ underground. Words about Christ are only just now rising above ground and might be found in the same section of Barnes n Noble as the bible, but are very different from most books found in that section, including "new age" disinformation like the bible (predicts a new age on earth). A better understanding of the words of Christ gives perspective on how the bible subverts an otherwise authentic teacher in Jesus. If you could isolate info about Christ to a biblistic monopoly, you could keep actual information underground. But i think those days are past, the horse is out of the barn, so to speak. The first thing the bible does is subordinate Christ (knowledge) to ignorance (faith) by demonizing a legitimate quest for knowledge. In so doing, it subordinates Christ to the god of faith based manifestations, making Christ its "son". This is incredibly insulting to all philosophers, not to mention Christ.