To all ex Military Men/Woman on the board arent you afraid of being call up for duty

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by mahram, Jun 11, 2006.

Is it fair to ask men and woman who left active duty to be called up for service aga

  1. yES

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  1. To all the ex military people on the board. Arent you afraid of being called up for duty. It was probably diffrent when you first signed up and was in your 20's but your probably now in your 40's with kids and wife to support. Which is alot diffrent. If you were in the military you probably know you have to sign up for the ready reserves for a period of time. this is a period of time they can call you up for active duty at any moment. But recently alot of people who thought there time in the ready reserves were over, have been called up for duty. People who are in their 40's, 50's and 60's. Isnt this a back door draft?
  2. Ricter


    Please post a plausible link to a story about someone in their 60's being called back to active duty.
  3. Sorry forgot to post the article that spark this question.

    Old Soldiers Back On Duty
    (Page 1 of 2)

    July 3, 2005
    Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray did her active duty back in the '60s. (CBS)

    "My goal was to move back and get that life that I never had because for 16 years the Army... I gave the Army my life."
    Rick Howell

    But you'd be hard-pressed to call one woman 60 Minutes talked to a coward – even though she is resisting the call to return for duty. "Mary," as we're calling her, is a senior special agent with a federal law enforcement agency. She does undercover work in the war on drugs, which is why she appeared in disguise.

    "You come up against a lot of big-time criminals. And they're prepared to kill and to shoot to get out of certain situations," says Mary, of her work in the war on drugs.

    Is she reluctant to return to the Army because she is afraid of danger? "No, my reluctance is because what's right," says Mary. "I thought my time was up. And they're telling me that it's not."

    Like many Army officers, Mary signed up for eight years, four years active duty, and four years in the Ready Reserves. She received her discharge certificate in 1998, but she was called up this past June to serve as a transportation officer.

    "I called the Delay and Exemption Board. And the young lady that I talked to said that date [on my contract] meant nothing, that my new date is 2018," says Mary.

    "I was in shock. I was like, 'What do you mean? I have a piece of paper that tells me that that's my obligation.' And for them to just send me orders and disrupt my life and pull me back, it's disheartening and I feel betrayed, I guess you could say. … The military is betraying me, because I served my time."

    What Mary didn’t realize is that, as an officer, she remained in the Ready Reserve, even after her eight years were through, because she hadn’t resigned her commission as an officer.

    CBS) But she’s not alone. Many officers say they were never made aware of that, that no mention is made of it in the enlistment agreements they signed. The Army, which declined a request by 60 Minutes for an interview, counters that the requirement is referred to in the agreements, if ever so obliquely.

    "It's a six-digit reference to an Army regulation, that's put in a remark section in these agreements," says Mark Waple, a lawyer who specializes in defending soldiers. "It borders on being a deceptive recruiting practice. I’m not suggesting it was intended that way."

    Nevertheless, Waple calls what the Army’s doing now "a backdoor draft." And since June, he’s been getting dozens of calls from officers around the country who are convinced the Army has no right to call them up.
    Todd Parrish was the first to call. He served his four years of active duty in the 1990s as an artillery officer.

    Unlike many Ready Reserve soldiers, who say they never knew they had to resign their commissions, Parrish knew, and did.

    He believed that legally he was out of the military forever. But last July, Parrish and his wife, Collette, were shocked when he received one of those letters from the Army.

    But when he called Army Personnel to tell them a mistake had been made, they seemed to know very little about him. In fact, they told him that he had never done his active duty.

    "I said, 'Well, I served active duty. I have the records.' And then I said, 'Do you have my DD-214?,'" says Parrish.

    "The DD-214 is the one that says honorable discharge on it. It's a record of everything you've done. And they said, 'No. We do not have that on file. But we can request it.' And I said, 'Request it? You're the Human Resources Command. Shouldn't you already have that before you call somebody to active duty?' They told me, 'Oh, you'll have to report, and we'll work it out from there.'"

    Parrish, a veteran, knew that once he reported, he would have "given up all your rights." Says Parrish, "Once you show up, you're gonna go to Iraq, no matter how right you may be."

    But should all bets be off now that the country is in a state of emergency?

    "I think if they're saying that, then what they're saying is there needs to be a draft. ... Over and over it's told, 'We're an all-volunteer Army. We're an all volunteer armed forces,'" says Parrish's wife, Collette.

    "And if it's going to be all volunteer, it needs to be the people that have actually volunteered and want to be there - not the people who served and wanted to go on and be civilians."

    Parrish is challenging his orders in federal court, where the Army is now arguing that his resignation should never have been accepted in the first place - that it was a clerical error.
    Rick Howell also thought a mistake had been made when he received his notification last August. He’s 47 and disabled from an accident he suffered in the military.

    "I can’t run anymore. If somebody was shooting at me and chasing me I couldn’t run away from them. I can’t, you know, if I lift anything more than 30 or 40 pounds, I literally, the rod in my arm tingles," says Howell.

    He joined the Army in 1981, and became a helicopter pilot. He flew along the DMZ in Korea. Finally, in 1997, after almost 16 years of active service, he retired.

    "My goal was to move back and get that life that I never had because for 16 years the Army," says Howell. "I mean, I gave the Army my life. Of course, you know, I wanted a family, you know. I wanted to marry someone and to settle down and to have a home."

    And so he did. His son was born two months ago. Going back into the Army would be a major inconvenience, to say the least.

    But Howell says he’s willing to do it if he can serve in the United States, which he put in the form of a prayer on Thanksgiving this year.

    The Army rejected Howell’s offer and sent him a letter, saying his exemption has been disapproved, and he has to report for duty. But Howell intends to keep fighting.

    What is he going to do if he has to go to Iraq?

    "I don’t have a choice. They’re going to have to come and get me. I mean literally," says Howell. "They’re going to have to come get me. And at that point in time, if they come get me, I don’t have a choice. They’ll have to drag me away and make me go."

    They haven't gotten Howell to go yet. Since 60 Minutes broadcast this story last fall, Howell's date to report for duty has been postponed, and he's still waiting to see if he'll get an exemption.

    The Army did grant an exemption to the federal agent we called "Mary." And Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray, 55, has been released from active duty.

    All the other Ready Reservists we interviewed are now serving in Iraq.
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  4. If you read the article people in their 40's,50's and 60's have been called up. In their 60's they probably have skills in the past that they need now. Like counter intellgence and insurgency, doctors, medics, electronic specialists, intelligence specialists, langauge specialists, truck drivers, and etc. And if your in the ready reserves, it doesnt matter how old you are, if you are in the ready reserves you are obliged to serve when called.

  5. It's actually stunning that you keep posting about subjects of which you know absolutely nothing about. It’s really comical...You’re truly a jackass.

    It's called the IRR, and if you knew jack squat about it, which you obviously do not, then you wouldn’t continue to embarrass yourself with your ridiculously uninformed posts.

    Christ man…have some dignity about you!!

  6. What do you think I am wrong, and the military isnt calling up people in their 40's, 50's and 60's back into active duty? Are you saying cnn, abc, reuters, times, asociated press, and even miltary spokesman are lieing. Dr.zhi what are you saying that I am wrong about, and everybody is wrong about.

  7. Dear tool,

    #1) never listen to the media...if you do, you'll always be misinformed.

    #2) IRR is different than Active Reserves. Figure out the difference then and only then , maybe, you’ll figure out your ass from your elbow. (no assurances though)

    3# See number one...

  8. LOL

    mahram, did you even bother to read the entire article you posted? If you had, you would have clearly seen WHY you were called a jackass:

    "Since 60 Minutes broadcast this story last fall, Howell's date to report for duty has been postponed, and he's still waiting to see if he'll get an exemption.

    The Army did grant an exemption to the federal agent we called "Mary." And Chief Warrant Officer Margaret Murray, 55, has been released from active duty."

    Plus, that article is nearly a year old.

    Just like any other big bureaucracy, the military makes mistakes in it's records. It's the same type of mistake that summons a 9 year old for jury duty (which happened recently to a son of a friend of mine last year).
  9. ummmm no. If you want to see the ages of people who died, they are in their mid 50s to 20's :D

  10. So dr.zhi your saying they arent calling up older people. I think you better look at the death toll. People in their 40's all the way to 55 have been dying. These are reservest and national guard army. So tell me if Im wrong. Doctor Zhi did I make up these people ages. You can also check it out on the official us military website, they have their names and ages.

    #10     Jun 12, 2006