boomdog, If you can find an edge from examining flow, I'm all for it. I do find that smaller retail futures trades set short stops and can often be looking at the same charts setting, creating many stops around the same price. That can create a short term wave of sell or buy orders from hundreds of small accounts. In fact there are mentors out there that can have hundreds of students all with the same tools and studies creating waves of orders. Bob
Completely agree with you Bob. So now you probably can see why I'm trying to find an angle on larger orders. To break away from the herd I started using larger time frames and a volume chart. Works pretty darn good. So maybe I'm getting greedy. lol at myself. Thanks for your input. Much apprreciated, Loren