Tick Scale vs Time Scale

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ironchef, May 29, 2024.

Tick Scale vs Time Scale as the basic unit of price action

Poll closed Jun 28, 2024.
  1. I trade with time scale

    13 vote(s)
    68.4%
  2. I trade with tick scale

    6 vote(s)
    31.6%
  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks. Appreciate your response.
     
    #11     May 29, 2024
  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    :thumbsup:
     
    #12     May 29, 2024
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    I don't quite get what you are saying.

    Please run that by me one more time. Thanks.
     
    #13     May 29, 2024
  4. oshjdf

    oshjdf

    I used data-based (tick, volume, range) before and developed both trend following and mean reversion strategies. I left those strategies after I have developed current methodology in time-based because it got higher profit factor, higher winning rate and no repaint issue. The repaint issue of data-based may skew your statistics worst than time-based in live trading. The worst thing in time-based is only partial fill.
     
    #14     May 30, 2024
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you for your response. Very interesting perspective.

    May I ask what do you mean by repaint issue?
     
    #15     May 30, 2024
  6. oshjdf

    oshjdf

    When using data-based chart in live trading, I found if you refresh the data/chart, the chart is not similar before the refresh. I got stable connection (monitor continuous ping to multiple destinations). I used NT8, RT Pro, motivewave, QT, QST. There are other platforms that I can't remember. The issue happened regardless of platforms.

    My only advice if you wanna take data-based chart approach, trade live smallest as you can and see if the issue happen on your side.

    Another thing that I forgot to mention, if you develop your system on time-based chart and it works on intraday timeframe and multiple instruments/exchanges/countries, there is high possibility that it will work on >= daily timeframe.
     
    #16     May 30, 2024
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  7. Good Morning ironchef,

    What's up Buddy,

    Please do not forget this one thing : once you get your PH.D degree, and master degree, and learn all the trading education, and become the trading knowledge base master, you still have to make ALOT of money!!!

    Trading is very easy, we make it hard trying get a PH.D in trading theory be the trading master.

    I enjoy being a dumb trader.

    Every time I try to be smart professional PH.D degree ES trader, I lose a lot of money.
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2024
    #17     May 30, 2024
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  8. birdman

    birdman

    Your increased performance with TOS tick charts begs the question if perhaps your better performance might be due to a higher number of bars per time frame than you had, say with a 1 minute chart. You might average 3 or even 5 times more bars and thereby have more granularity and better performance. Just a possibility. Most people don't feel they are nimble enough to benefit from more bars, but i suspect some can. I've tested both tick charts and 5 and 10 second bars with some success. I'm still trading with 1 minute charts but when time allows will run the 5 second alongside the 1 minute.
     
    #18     May 30, 2024
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  9. MACD

    MACD

    Simple is and in trading it pays !!
     
    #19     May 31, 2024
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    @SimpleMeLike, I used to think you were full of shit when you said, just click buy and sell...

    I now find it better to just let my instinct drives the trade which is what you have been preaching all along. My edge is my sixth sense, not intellectually satisfying but it is what it is.

    Take care.
     
    #20     Jun 3, 2024