throwing in the fkin towel!!!

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by slickshal, Jan 25, 2007.

  1. duard

    duard

    That was the hand holding now here is the reality.


    You're a loser. What kind of man loses and is O.K. with that.

    Celtic tribesman in 200 B.C. had chests full of the heads of their most fierce adversaries preserved in cedar oil to show their houseguests after dinner with a smoke and a brew.

    I dare say your head would not be in my collection.

    Give me a friggin' break.
     
    #121     Jan 27, 2007



  2. Get a couple of hookers and go for a vacation. You'll come back refreshed and ready to kick ass. Oh yeah, and stop trying to pick the bottom on the days the market sells off. :D
     
    #122     Jan 27, 2007
  3. Joab

    Joab


    If your enemy is superior, flee.

    Sun Tzu

    When your hand is dominated, fold and live to play a better hand.

    Phil Gordon.


    etc, etc .....


    Only a fool thinks he can be victorious in every battle.
     
    #123     Jan 27, 2007
  4. im sure Sun Tzu had learning the markets in mind when he said that :p
     
    #124     Jan 27, 2007
  5. If your enemy is superior become a sniper. Enter the market ONLY when you know you have a clear shot.
     
    #125     Jan 27, 2007
  6. blast19

    blast19

    Preach on my friend! :D

    The whiners on here are such bitches...really! I do mean to be offensive...if you're mature enough to save money, able to open an account, learn the ropes, find this message board, etc. then whining is just turning your blame elsewhere but inward.

    Life isn't fair and the markets aren't either...who hasn't made a bad trade they knew was bad as they were making it?

    I've made quite a few and it has taken me some angst and tough work to break that habit...but I don't come on here crying about it.

    slickshal....go cry to someone else or grow up and work on your problems. Some of us haven't had the experience you've had working the floor...no doubt this is different, but you're like a kid who goes to private school all his life and then whines about how hard college life is to all of his friends who work night jobs to pay their tuitiion.
     
    #126     Jan 27, 2007
  7. <i>"I happen to be in the building profession, I am on a job right now that has had more mistakes than I thought possible, lack of focus, dropped details, engineers with no field experience, the list goes on and on.

    It has taken me years to get to the point where I am now. There are a bunch of skills needed along the way to competence and once you have the skills then the real work begins, learning how "you" are going to integrate those skills into mastery."

    *

    "I wonder if any of the vendors on this thread could give us some statistics."</i>

    **

    One of my closest friends (Craig) has been a general contractor most of his career. Everything else he did prior now supports = adds to his base of knowledge as a GC.

    Craig works for a $5mil annual company which is now a subsidiary of a $50mil custom build = remodel company. His sole role now is to go around and repair all of the mistakes, botches and screw-ups that the subconbtractors leave behind. Every job, every project is beset with mistakes and problems... some are major-league serious.

    All this done by sub-contractors who are experienced professionals, employing a continual turnover of laborers. No matter how good the contractor is at his specific role, teaching the laborors to be competent and efficient is an evolution on their part.

    ***

    Most people who attempt to learn trading fail. The reasons for that have been rehashed 1,000s of times. Lack of realistic expectations, lack of commitment and lack of self-discipline are three pitfalls of weakness that snare most aspiring traders.

    TV ads like the one which show young men trading stocks on a stranger's (hot girl's) laptop in the middle of a marathon race doom traders before they ever begin. Pretty much any TV ad by a stock broker makes it look sexy and effortless to trade stocks.

    People expect to find = purchase = invent a mechanical, black & white, mindless approach to trading. Entries, exits and stop managment can all be automated, right?

    Perhaps by a very few of the overall population. Most people cannot even begin to create such an approach, for many reasons. Most who do manage to create such a system fail to follow it thru the natural drawdowns and lean times.

    ****

    Our profession is very simple. Learn to read market behavior by measuring price action on the chart(s). The learning curve differs for everyone. How long does it take? Well, how long do you give a toddler to walk before giving up on them forever?

    Until. You give the toddler all the time necessary until they succeed. Some walk early, some take much longer. Some fall once or twice, some fall for months. Some never even get a scratch, some are bandaged or even hospitalized from falls in the "learning to walk" process.

    Ex-floor traders seem to struggle more than any other profession when it comes to retail trading. Everything they learned = did on the floor which worked to facilitate order flow absolutely gets them killed on our side of the screens. Unlearning old tactics and embracing new ones is one helluva tough struggle.

    Anyone can learn to trade anything. Their is no barrier to fail for anyone... period. No specific physical limitations exist. Anyone of normal intelligence and maturity levels of self-control can learn to successfully trade.

    That said, the personal weaknesses each of us must overcome between first exposure and methodical success can be seemingly impossible to overcome. But it's possible for everyone, no exceptions to that rule if we want success at trading badly enough.

    Question is, "How bad do you want it?"
     
    #127     Jan 27, 2007
  8. traderob

    traderob

    Yes, and that's why some of the best threads illuminate what an extraordinary challenge it is.
    If even 50 traders a week made it, then in one year you would have 2500 successes- and every year pulling in more and more. In 20 years there would be 50,000 of these multi-millionaire traders .

    It is clearly a profession that few master, but how often have you seen a thread where someone with $20,000 thinks he can make a living from trading. Most of us IMO are better off keeping our day job and trading part-time..
     
    #128     Jan 27, 2007
  9. rober, 100% true.

    and most would also be better off never starting their own business

    but if everybody thought like that, our economy would collapse

    no more walmarts, apple, microsoft, home depot, etc. because every single one of those businesses was started by somebody that beat the odds.

    generally speaking, winners - in ANY field- have to beat some very tough odds

    trading is no different.

    i paid a lot of dues, and i work exceptionally hard, and it is the most rewarding thing (in business) i have ever done - by far
    in trading, unlike almost every other business, your success is literally 100% dependant on YOU, not customers, etc.
     
    #129     Jan 27, 2007
  10. "the temptation to quit will be greatest just before you succeed" is an ancient Chinese aphorism.

    Just give yourself some time off and try to analyze your trading over and over again.

    Best,
    Hamrawein
     
    #130     Jan 27, 2007