i think it comes down to which socialist is less likely to start ww3... and clearly that is obama. but i smell a gore entry.
You think of terrorists as "freedom fighters"?!? Wow! And you had inside intelligence that Saddam was no threat even though no one else did? You knew that it was all one big conspiracy!?! Wow again! Who are you, James Bond and Jason Bourne cloned together?
if china invaded my country i would do everything i could to fight them.. wouldnt you? oh wait.. that would make me a terrorist? yawn. and yes.. i did know there were no wmd's because i read everything i could get my hands on.. and i knew they were lying. trust me.. it was easy to figure out. this isnt monday morning quarterbacking.. i argued ad nauseam with friends and co workers that thought i was crazy. so i will take fkn credit for knowing. when you finally get off the propaganda wheel you learn this stuff is formulaic. i have followed ron paul for years.. go back and read what he said. he was right on the money then and now. there is a whole movement that knew they were lying... Ron Paul is just one of many that has tried to wake people up. neocons are not conservatives.. they are trotskyites.. former commies that want endless war for the USA. wake up dude.
This is what you call reasoning? Equating the US with Saddam's Iraq? In 1998 Democrats knew that Saddam had WMD's because of the UN documentation, and talked tough about invading if Saddam did not immediately comply with UN resolutions. This included all of the Democratic leadership in the house and the senate. Many elevated and threatening speeches were made by the likes of Democrat senators Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, Dodd, Schumer, etc. In the end it was all just bluster and a few missiles were launched. Based on the current evidence available when Bush made his decision, and the documentation from 1998, and that the foreign intel community believed Saddam had WMD's, the UN believed it, the king of Jordan believed it, the president of Egypt believed it, Tony Blair believed it, the Clinton administration believed it, Joe Wilson believed it, the house believed it, the senate believed it, senator John Kerry believed it (he saw all of the same intel as the president - that is if he showed up at any of the meetings), senator Russ Feingold who opposed the war resolution still believed Saddam had WMD's, senator Carl Levin (D) admitted on Nov.7 /05 "...there was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons, by the way. That is not in dispute. There is plenty of evidence of that." Hillary Clinton believed it, and George Tenet, director of the CIA (appointed by Clinton) guaranteed President Bush it was a "slam dunk". (All of the above mentioned people have been publicly documented as to the claims.) Here is what Clinton's Secretary of State, Madelleine Albright said: February 1, 1998 "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." Feb. 19 1998 "The world hasn't seen, except maybe since Hitler, somebody who is quite as evil as Saddam Hussein." Did you get that? "MAYBE" Hitler was as evil as Saddam Hussein. November 10, 1999 "Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." February 18, 2002 "Iraq is a long way from (here), but what happens there matters a great deal here, for the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest national security threat we face -- and it is a threat against which we must and will stand firm." But you the great Bond/Bourne clone knew they were ... what? All lying? You claim it was all one large conspiracy? Bush and Clinton were in a conspiracy together? Gimmie some evidence. Surely your hero Ron Paul must have evidence of this giant conspiracy that includes most of the western world's intel agencies as well as world leaders that include Arab leaders. But surely you had evidence to present to them. What was it? What did you show them?
you cite democrats that were stupid enough to fall for the propaganda too and think you have proven anything. the other leaders you cited are all puppets just about. here watch this scooter: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/OgfzqulvhlQ&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/OgfzqulvhlQ&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
I have no judgements of Obama becasue he is black. None. I have multiracial family. At one time I admired him and his unity talk. I considered him for my vote. But more has come out about Obama that I didn't see before. Look at the tremendous support Obama had before his church and its ties to ultra left wing policy came out. It is not because he is black, its a questioning of what he really stands for.
Ratboy I want you to present the evidence you based your agruments on before the war started. You claimed to know it was all a giant conspiracy. What is this supposed evidence that you alone knew?
i ran from this??? are you serious? do a search corky.. i have made these arguments many times on the board. just because i ignore an ignorant person means nothing. do the search.. do you need help with "how to search"... let me know corky.