Through the Looking Glass

Discussion in 'Journals' started by illiquid, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. Redneck

    Redneck

    I remember reading an article awhile back where it stated a lesson stays with a person for ~ 6 hours before beginning to wear off..., and at times we must repeat the lesson(s) over and over before it/ they actually stick

    You’re going on ~31 hrs now…

    I truly hope it sticks this time Illiquid….time will tell…



    May I respectfully suggest you print out your last post and tape it to your monitor – at least for a little awhile Sir… Not to discourage – but as a governor/ throttle/ reminder....



    fwiw - here’s an excerpt from my journal…

    “Discipline and Control are funny things – just because I “think” I have them – does not mean I do… Have no doubt the market will painfully teach me the difference – until I lean it”


    May not be worth much but it's from the heart

    RN
     
    #181     Jun 6, 2010
  2. No surprises. This is part of the rebirth process and it's always messy. You know what you want to do but you need inner agreement with what your stated plans are. Just because you state them does not mean you mean what you think you mean!

    So there are things to resolve. It will be interesting to see how you go about that. Isn't self discovery wonderful lol.
     
    #182     Jun 6, 2010
  3. ammo

    ammo

    repeat,show your ego the door,you need to money manage, not massage your feelings,one could assume from stats that the 95% that dont make it can't do this,this is your hump illiquid,your ego wont let you see it.....,write down all the reasons you could win as a trader , and all the reasons you could lose,as quickly as you can,..............dont filter them,.............. then go back and read them and rate them as 1-10 as how true they are,start throwing out the false beliefs.....always remember ...this is just business, dont take it or make it personal
     
    #183     Jun 6, 2010
  4. Just so long as "effort, dedication and passion" are not synonyms for holding on to losing positions. I hope next week goes much better for you.
     
    #184     Jun 6, 2010
  5. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    You had a very strong Tuesday. Do you think this set you up for taking greater risk the next day or was it more a case of changing market conditions Wednesday where patterns that worked well in the past suddenly failed?

    Just watched "Fantastic Mr. Fox" last night. I highly recommend it after a tough week in the trading trenches.
     
    #185     Jun 6, 2010
  6. Thanks for the reminders and encouragement, this lesson has been a repeat lesson years in the making, and the culprit has always been success -- or at least my reaction to it. I've never been able to just keep cruising with what's working, I've always been one to keep pushing my game, cuz in the back of my mind I knew I could always hunker down and get it back. Well it's done, I'm done pushing, I'm getting tired of the whole cycle forwards and back. I wanted everything to make sense, I wanted a story, right down to each position, and it's just been bullshit. You don't need a story to make money, the way I see it now you can stumble into riches, smash-and-grab your way to a future, scour the pavement every day for a windfall -- I'll be just another rake for the 95% to deal with from now on.

    For as much as I wanted to believe, there is no art to trading -- none at all. There is nothing timeless that exists on its own to behold, admire, inspire. There is only joy and suffering in the markets, one feeding off the other. The rest is numbers.
     
    #186     Jun 7, 2010
  7. ~~~

    ~~~

    why must everything makes sense? when sometimes life itself doesn't make any sense? (good people/hero die first, innocence babies/children born with cancer.. tsunami striked the poor countries etc.)

    You are a trader not a writer, only writer needs a story to make money.

    throw away the bad emotions & ego.. be cool and hope this week is a better week for you.
     
    #187     Jun 7, 2010
  8. P/L for week 6/11: -11k on 320k shares

    -10, -5, +5 -1, 0

    First half of the week just a continuation of previous before I finally settled down. Nothing more to add from a personal standpoint.

    For the rest of you out there: the more I try to convince myself that "you don't need to know what's going to happen in order to make money", the more evidence I see to the contrary. The most insidious thing about facing the programs out there is that they in effect teach you to do the "wrong" thing in order to make a profit -- if you're unable to differentiate the exception from the rule, you won't survive.
     
    #188     Jun 12, 2010
  9. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Illiquid, it would be really interesting to see a chart posted of your entries/exits/reason for trade on a few of your big losing trades. I think the input you'd get from others here could be really helpful. It took input from four different traders over a period of time, but I finally "got it" (at least until the next time I lose my mind).
     
    #189     Jun 12, 2010
  10. ~~~

    ~~~

    It's true only when gambling in casino...

    My friends told me the "same words" when we went to casino yesterday (sunday) to play Baccaret in the exclusive VIP room for high rollers.

    We sat on the baccaret table for a while and observed who's the lucky "winner" and who's the unlucky "loser".

    After a while we placed our bets "Contrary" to the unlucky ones ..
    he got 8 pts and we got 9 pts (max pts) and when we got 2pts or 1 pt ... he got "baccaret"(0 pt)

    we won a few hands and moved to another table...
    we observed the lucky ones and just followed him/her to place our bets...
    The "Lady-luck" was incredible .."natural 8 pts" & "natural 9 pts" was her nickname :)

    "The God of Fortune" was smilling at us yesterday..... about 2 hrs later, we cashed out our chips. The casino PR Execs came over to offer us hotel
    luxury suites for free and dining free in the swanky restaurants.
    Okie! They are smart but we're not stupid either ...
    we're astute businessmen and we've excellent "self-discipline".
    It's fun & a beautiful sunday. :)

    Trade-well & Good Luck and hope this week is a much better week for you.
     
    #190     Jun 14, 2010