Thought Control In Chicago Schools?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by OPTIONAL777, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. No, not everyone else.

    The parties in question have not spoken...because you are afraid to ask to know the whole truth.

    Your conclusion is in error because of your incorrect assumption of something to be true, which is actually false.

     
    #41     Mar 28, 2009
  2. You assumed, but you did not verify your assumptions.

    If you want the whole truth, you can get that in the Feedback Forum by starting a thread to get the verifications to your assumption (which is wrong--rendering your claim false).

    No ambiguity, I am just following the rules...


     
    #42     Mar 28, 2009
  3. Dont even worry about this lunatic SHE POSTED 37 TIMES ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, She clearly lacks social skills and is just looking for anyone she can provoke, or anyone who will pay attention to her, quite clearly ZzZzzZZZzZZzedophile is deranged, i almost feel sorry for ZzZZzzzzedophile since the only pleasure she gets is from molesting children. Imagine how shitty your life must be when the only thing you have to do on a friday night is Spam a trading site, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN PLACED A SINGLE TRADE. Wow all i got is one word PATHETIC.

     
    #43     Mar 28, 2009
  4. There is no fact that joe (the moderator) verified all the parts of statement in question.

    Example.

    Say some guy driving a car is pulled over for swerving all over the road by a cop.

    The driver is belligerent and goes off one some insane rant.

    The cop responds by firmly saying:

    "Please step out of the car."

    The cop does not even deal with the nonsense, the ranting...he just does his job as a cop.

    In this case, the moderator (cop) did his job, and did not verify the insane rant.

    So you don't have verification of all the claims made, and since one of the claims is indeed false, that makes your subsequent claims false.

    It is pretty simple, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose in looking for the whole truth...

    Unless you don't really want the whole truth, which seems to be the case...

    "one claim, which is then verified by a moderator..."

    Not one claim, a first claim, and then 2 points.

    The first claim is unverified, as it is not necessary for the cop to deal with it to enforce the law of point 1 and 2, which the cop did...his job is to enforce the law, not deal with the insanity of the criminal.

     
    #44     Mar 28, 2009
  5. (Confirmation of thought control by Chicago area school...)

    Ayers says canceled appearance teaches 'terrible lessons'
    By Melissa Jenco | Daily Herald Staff
    Published: 4/1/2009 12:00 AM

    Controversial author Bill Ayers says separate decisions by school officials and a bookshop owner to cancel his scheduled appearances next week in Naperville are "absurd" and "outrageous."

    The University of Illinois-Chicago education professor was booked to speak at Naperville North High School and Anderson's Bookshop, but plans for both were scrapped Monday after heavy criticism from some portions of the community.

    "This cancellation provides terrible lessons for these young people about the limits of freedom and the importance of obedience, and it must be painful for many of them to watch people they admire collapse under pressure," Ayers wrote Tuesday in an e-mail. "It has all the hallmarks of suppression of speech: incitement of fear, intimidation of well-meaning folks, mob rule."

    Critics, on the other hand, argued Ayers, a Glen Ellyn native, isn't the type of speaker who should be allowed to speak to students in a tax-supported high school.

    Before his college teaching days, Ayers co-founded the Weather Underground, an anti-Vietnam war group responsible for a series of bombings at public buildings in the 1960s and '70s. He had faded from the spotlight in recent years until the presidential election, in which his ties to President Barack Obama were called into question.

    Naperville North history teacher Kermit Eby was once Ayers' student and invited him to speak at the school. Students were required to obtain parental permission to attend.

    But when some District 203 parents and community members learned early last week of Ayers' scheduled appearance, they flooded the district with angry phone calls and e-mails. Critics commenting on newspaper Web sites and contacting school administrators repeatedly referred to Ayers as a terrorist.

    In a districtwide e-mail Monday, Naperville Unit District 203 Superintendent Alan Leis announced the cancellation, saying, "Any value to our students would be lost in such a highly charged atmosphere and any debate of issues or viewpoints would be overshadowed by media coverage and anger over the event itself."

    Leis told the Daily Herald he initially thought Ayers would be an interesting speaker because of his connections to the presidential election. But he said he became more troubled as he did more research, and, "it's very hard to figure out who this guy is."

    "It is truly amazing the level of anger and emotion around this issue," Leis said Monday.

    Ayers spoke with the Daily Herald by phone Tuesday and said he believes he has been inaccurately portrayed by his critics.

    "There's not a shred of truth in what was said by Fox News or right-wing bloggers," he said. "They've got this caricature they're beating up, but it's not me."

    Ayers said while it's true his Weather Underground group intentionally broke the law, he never hurt or killed anyone and has "met his judicial obligations." He said he condemns acts of terror and has never advocated violence.

    Although he says he has regrets about some of his actions, opposing the Vietnam War isn't one of them.

    "People could say they disagree or I'm nuts or despicable, but they would have to know the U.S. government ... was killing 6,000 people a week," he said. "That was also despicable."

    Among those lining up to disagree with Ayers' views is Sol Stern, senior fellow for the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, who has studied the educator and is writing a book about him.

    Stern blasted Ayers in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece last fall, saying Ayers' "hatred of America is as virulent as when he planted a bomb at the Pentagon."

    Stern went on to call Ayers a "school destroyer" in his essay and said his education reform movement is "bringing radical social justice teaching into our public school classrooms."

    Asked what he would have discussed with Naperville students, Ayers said he couldn't summarize his presentation in a sentence or two and pointed to his blog entries at billayers.org about democracy in education.

    He said the issue isn't about what he would have said; it's about being allowed to say it.

    "To me (banning the talk) runs against the spirit of what they think they're defending," he said. "If they think they're defending democracy, what better way to defend it than to allow a conversation and defeat the noxious ideas in a public square, not suppress them."

    Naperville North is not the only school to cancel one of his talks. Ayers was scheduled to speak at Boston College Monday via satellite - a compromise from the original plan to speak in person - but the college canceled both events because of the backlash from area residents and police officers, according to The Boston Globe. The Weather Underground allegedly was involved in a 1970 bank robbery that killed a Boston police officer, the newspaper reported.

    While Naperville students may not hear Ayers speak, students from Highland Park High School recently did.

    In January, Ayers spoke with about 80 students and faculty during an after-school event held on campus. His talk was sponsored by the Highland Park Young Democrats, a club made up of students but not sponsored by the school.

    Those there say Ayers spoke about a variety of topics, including the death penalty, war crimes, human rights, the recent election, his children and his time in the Weather Underground.

    Science teacher Jonathan Weiland, who informally supervises the club, said Ayers did not advocate violence when talking to students during the event or at a dinner afterward. According to Weiland, Ayers said he was not proud of what he had done but pointed to others who he felt had done worse during the Vietnam War.

    Weiland called the speech a successful event and a good opportunity for students.

    "I think school should be about the education of people and it was one opportunity of thousands that students have at our school and any school to see living history," Weiland said.

    Also among those there was Highland Park junior Joey Kalmin, a self-described conservative Republican who strongly supported John McCain in the presidential race.

    Kalmin said in talking with Ayers he found him to be "a nice guy and I still disagree with him on 99.5 percent of what he said."

    Nice guy or not, Kalmin said he considers Ayers a criminal because of his past and feels another setting may have been more appropriate. He said he attended the talk in an effort to be open-minded and hear another point of view.

    "If I wanted to hear my own opinion," he said, "I could yell it in the mirror."
     
    #45     Apr 1, 2009
  6. If Tim Mcveigh were alive would it be OK for him to give his views to the students? What Mcveigh was to the radical right, Ayers is to the radical left. One is dead and the other should be.
     
    #46     Apr 1, 2009
  7. Yes, it would be okay for him to give his views.

    What is it about the right wing that they are so afraid of the ideas of others?

    If the ideas are not sound, then they are easily defeated by a reasonable and logical counter argument.

    Expose these kids to all ideas, and teach them to think independently and critically...

    Trust the kids to come up with the correct answers if you really want good citizens who know how to think for themselves...

    Now, if you just want lemmings who listen to Rush Fatman...
     
    #47     Apr 1, 2009
  8. False claim...

     
    #48     Apr 1, 2009
  9. No.

    I am saying you are making false claims.

    Do we really need to go through this again?

     
    #49     Apr 1, 2009
  10. Fear doesn't have anything to do with it. Why would I want to listen to the rantings of a lunatic? Why should students be subjected to every crazy ass philosophy out there? To broaden their horizons? Bullshit!
    You are right about one thing. Our educational system is all about thought control...radical left thought control.
     
    #50     Apr 1, 2009