What about getting a history book out and looking it up for yourself... there is no debate here, it is FACT... so look it up... Anyways, the USA is highly likely to very soon get a taste of its own evil medicine... and the civilized world will tell the USA that it got precisely what it deserved... hahah!!! ROFL!! The USA remains an object of hate for the world... and yet we continue create more reasons for people to hate us...
Quote by BobCathy1 THOU SHALT NOT KILL. YOU BET YOUR ASS THAT THIS WAR OR ANY WAR IS ILLEGAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good rules in an ideal world. However in our world many things aren't exactly black and white. Scenario 1 : What do you mean by 'illegal' ? Germany's war on other countries during 1939 to 1945 was illegal. O.K. I can agree on that. Was the US and Russia getting involved against Germany also illegal even though it stopped the slaughter by the Germans ? If illegal it did nevertheless a whole lot of good and this means that 'illegal' can sometimes be a force of good. ('the only good German is a dead one') If on the other hand the USA and Russia's war against Germany was legal then your quote (of all wars being illegal) is not correct. Scenario 2 : In today's news was a story where a nine year old girl in Nicaragua was raped and the rapist, a 20 year old man, in addition to passing on two venereal diseases to the girl also managed to make her pregnant. The girl's naughty parents and the doctors involved in aborting the girl were excommunicated by the Catholic Church authorities. Only after a petition by 20,000 parishioners, asking to also be excommunicated in sympathy with the parents and the doctors, was delivered to the church authorities was it decided that principles are principles but one also needs to be pragmatic so the excommunication of the parents and the doctors was cancelled. Now where do you stand on this Cathy ? Was this abortion justified or was it murder ? freealways
Britain reserves the right to bomb niggers "Britain reserves the right to bomb niggers." It isn't a well known policy of the British government, it rarely makes it into party manifestos before elections. Not even in the small print, only in the deceptions. Only in the decisions. When the BBC were making their dramatised version of the life of Lloyd George, former British Prime Minister from the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries they decided, like the political parties, to omit that particular phrase. In 1902 Lloyd George was giving his point of view to Parliament around the possibility of the UK government signing a treaty that prohibited the killing of civilians in any future wars. It didn't get very far. The young parliamentarian Winston Churchill, noted Hanson (the documenters of parliamentary life and debate) gave Lloyd George a standing ovation. Winston Churchill was also fully aware of the need for Britain to control the "uncivilised tribes" that threatened British control over major economic sources, shipping, minerals and so on. "Recalcitrant Arabs" he called them. Churchill who had become Colonial Secretary after the First World War decided that an impoverished Britain could fight by different, cheaper means. So he gassed the Kurds. He despised the "squeamishness" of those who "objected to poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes." He used airpower that was just emerging to drop mustard gas on the Kurds, as he extolled, "spreading a lively terror." Perhaps the most damning statement by Churchill was that in fact the gassing of the Kurds was "as experiment." Now, 100 years later Tony Blair and his cabinet couch their wars in post-hippie language. Funky phrases like `open government` and `collateral damage.` When New Labour claimed it was opening up government to the people it simultaneously destroyed all documentation surrounding Churchill's gassing of the Kurds. Did we say post-hippie? We meant post-Orwellian. Because before the attacks on Kosovo, the ones that made the Serbian paramilitary "genocide" (current UN count 2018 dead) "entirely predictable" (Gen. Wesley Clark) Tony Blair was already graciously, nobly in a statesmanlike way, accepting of `collateral damage`. He stood before parliament pointing out that there would indeed be `collateral damage` but that he was prepared to take that on the chin. War is always very ennobling if you don't happen to be a child in a train hit by laser guided weaponry. But it continues. The Iraq dossier revealed by Tony Blair is simply him repeating his previous claims. Just in this case it has "intelligence says" before any said claim. Basically just euphemisms for âtrust me I'm Prime Ministerâ. Blair claims the attacks "will be in self-defence." It sounds like an oxymoron. Self defence usually happens after an attack, hence the bundling with the phrase "will be" sounds a little odd. But it has international recognition. Because do you remember when Saddam Hussein tried to murder George Bush snr? No? Surely you must do. It was the excuse two months later, June 1993, for the USA to launch cruise missiles into Baghdad and other cities, killing civilians. Although no evidence was ever put forward for the Iraqi assassination attempt the commentators and top rate broadsheet journalists took it at face value. It was also just on the cusp of the takeover of the Presidency by Bill Clinton. It became Clinton's chance to make his mark it was said to "have cheered the President." In the UK Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd said it was right and proper that the USA had failed to even glance at the UN or the Security Council or else there would be a "dangerous state of paralysis" in world politics. Not as dangerous as being an Iraqi under a cruise missile, but his supporters understood what he meant. Indeed the Conservative Government under Mrs Thatcher were in fact open supporters of both Churchill's legacy and of state violence to suppress "recalcitrant Arabs." Much has been noted of the gassing of the Kurds by Saddam in Halabja. The chemicals used to kill the 5000 or so Kurds were supplied by Germany. Three months after that attack deputy foreign secretary Norman Fowler went to Baghdad, not to chastise Saddam but to praise him and to offer up British arms sales. Saddam took him up on it. He took $1bn of weapons and never paid for them, we did, you and me. But never mind eh? It was all legitimate, it was a policy espoused by that genial and charming man Geoffrey Howe. That limp Tory whose attacks on Mrs Thatcher she liked to being "savaged by a wet sheep." Indeed Howe had fully foreseen the problems of supplying arms to someone who killed kids with European gas. He drafted a document that set out the way forward for selling arms to this major killer. But he made sure it was hidden from view. There were "major opportunities for British industry" he pointed out. During the Scott Enquiry he said he hid the document from the public, MPs, anyone in fact, because he wanted to avoid "emotional misunderstandings" presumably by mere mortals like ourselves who do get all hot under the collar after a civilian gassing. He also wanted to avoid people like me, "malicious commentators." He also wanted to avoid other Tories and make sure they didn't know about the administration and its desire to sell weapons to the Thatcher administration's favourite (as far as we know) major mass murderer. As Geoffrey explained, it was a "perfectly legitimate management of news." Not like the Iraq dossier of course. So now, with hardly any evidence, with no political support around the world, with the backing of the global neo-media and partnering an administration that says even if it loses a UN vote it will act anyway, Tony Blair moves towards war and presents his dossier as a pretext for more `collateral damage`. After all, why not? Britain's politicians have always `reserved the right`. Adam Porter http://www.sheffieldagainstwar.org.uk/articles/britain-reserves-the-right-to-bomb-niggers/ http://www.sheffieldagainstwar.org.uk/ Winston Churchill on Terrorism by Ken Meyercord 30 January 2003 06:52 UTC As the U.S. Administration speaks of pre-emptive nuclear strikes while demonizing Saddam Hussein for "gassing his own people" and bemoaning Palestinian suicide... er, homicide bombers, it might be instructive to reflect on Sir Winston Churchill's views about such activities. As Secretary of State at the War Office (1919), W Churchill authorised the RAF Middle East Command to use chemical weapons "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment", dismissing objections by the India Office as "unreasonable". "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.(to) spread a lively terror." (The tribes were the Kurds of Iraq and the Afghans.) "We cannot acquiesce in the non-utilisation of any available weapons to procure a speedy termination of the disorder which prevails on the frontier" , adding that chemical weapons are merely "the application of Western science to modern warfare". http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/isafp/2003/msg00007.html
Now don't be fooled by the spike oil, each time they did that it was after to crush the speculators when they tumble the prices back hihi ! PS.: Oil, Drug same business ? Halliburton Corporation's Brown and Root is one of the major components of the Bush-Cheney drug empire http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45c/020.html By C. Ruppert journalist of investigation at http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ "FTW October 24, 2000 - The success of Bush Vice Presidential running mate Richard Cheney at leading Halliburton, Inc. to a five year $3.8 billion "pig-out" on federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans is only a partial indicator of what may happen if the Bush ticket wins in two weeks. A closer look at available research, including an August 2, 2000 report by the Center for Public Integrity (CPI) at www.public-i.org, suggests that drug money has played a role in the successes achieved by Halliburton under Cheney's tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000. This is especially true for Halliburton's most famous subsidiary, heavy construction and oil giant, Brown and Root. A deeper look into history reveals that Brown and Root's past as well as the past of Dick Cheney himself, connect to the international drug trade on more than one occasion and in more than one way. "
>>Anyways, the USA is highly likely to very soon get a taste of its own evil medicine... and the civilized world will tell the USA that it got precisely what it deserved... hahah!!! ROFL!!<< "hahah!!! ROFL!!" Real choice words which sure will endear you to a lot of people. I notice you call yourself a 'journalist'. I suggest you look up what exactly that word means. It has got nothing whatsoever to do with emotional shit. Is there anyone who, after that kind of post, would still want to be civil to you ? freealways
Hahahaha.... the rhetoric of a silly war monger... yeeeeeehhhhhaaaaaa!! Your views and the views of people like you are precisely WHY the terrorism against the USA has only just begun... People like you remain a threat to the security of the American people... cos its people like you in policy making roles who are the root cause of revenge terrorism in response to the Terror of American foreign policy... So, freenever, when Al-Quaeda come a knockin' in your home town, don't be too surprised... ROFL!! yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Who said that ? God ? Sorry I'm not God believer. I am for killing Saddam, I am not for killing the Irak's people. But I said that this Saddam track is just a fake comedy for dozens of years already you should remark. They had many occasions to do so.
All those twits who are such peace loving idits haven't got a clue that the way they carry on in threads like this one is having the very opposite effect by actually driving people crazy enough to want to wring their neck. So much for creating peace. If one has even a bit of common sense one has a civil dialog, rather than the loutish yahooing the way candletwit does or the constant bombardment by Msfe by posting articles from some socialist rag with one eyed small brained socalled journalists. freealways
HAHA! Freenever, your pathetic attempts at promoting the cause of war are most entertaining... ROFL!! yeeeeeeeehhhhhhhaaaaaaaa