This war is illegal!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by trader556, Mar 1, 2003.

  1. Yeah, I know the die hard Rebs don't agree.
     
    #291     Jun 23, 2003
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    Denial and Deception
    By PAUL KRUGMAN - NY Times


    Politics is full of ironies. On the White House Web site, George W. Bush's speech from Oct. 7, 2002 — in which he made the case for war with Iraq — bears the headline "Denial and Deception." Indeed.

    There is no longer any serious doubt that Bush administration officials deceived us into war. The key question now is why so many influential people are in denial, unwilling to admit the obvious.

    About the deception: Leaks from professional intelligence analysts, who are furious over the way their work was abused, have given us a far more complete picture of how America went to war. Thanks to reporting by my colleague Nicholas Kristof, other reports in The New York Times and The Washington Post, and a magisterial article by John Judis and Spencer Ackerman in The New Republic, we now know that top officials, including Mr. Bush, sought to convey an impression about the Iraqi threat that was not supported by actual intelligence reports.

    In particular, there was never any evidence linking Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda; yet administration officials repeatedly suggested the existence of a link. Supposed evidence of an active Iraqi nuclear program was thoroughly debunked by the administration's own experts; yet administration officials continued to cite that evidence and warn of Iraq's nuclear threat.

    And yet the political and media establishment is in denial, finding excuses for the administration's efforts to mislead both Congress and the public.

    For example, some commentators have suggested that Mr. Bush should be let off the hook as long as there is some interpretation of his prewar statements that is technically true. Really? We're not talking about a business dispute that hinges on the fine print of the contract; we're talking about the most solemn decision a nation can make. If Mr. Bush's speeches gave the nation a misleading impression about the case for war, close textual analysis showing that he didn't literally say what he seemed to be saying is no excuse. On the contrary, it suggests that he knew that his case couldn't stand close scrutiny.

    Consider, for example, what Mr. Bush said in his "denial and deception" speech about the supposed Saddam-Osama link: that there were "high-level contacts that go back a decade." In fact, intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and an infant Al Qaeda in the early 1990's, but found no good evidence of a continuing relationship. So Mr. Bush made what sounded like an assertion of an ongoing relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda, but phrased it cagily — suggesting that he or his speechwriter knew full well that his case was shaky.

    Other commentators suggest that Mr. Bush may have sincerely believed, despite the lack of evidence, that Saddam was working with Osama and developing nuclear weapons. Actually, that's unlikely: why did he use such evasive wording if he didn't know that he was improving on the truth? In any case, however, somebody was at fault. If top administration officials somehow failed to apprise Mr. Bush of intelligence reports refuting key pieces of his case against Iraq, they weren't doing their jobs. And Mr. Bush should be the first person to demand their resignations.

    So why are so many people making excuses for Mr. Bush and his officials?

    Part of the answer, of course, is raw partisanship. One important difference between our current scandal and the Watergate affair is that it's almost impossible now to imagine a Republican senator asking, "What did the president know, and when did he know it?"

    But even people who aren't partisan Republicans shy away from confronting the administration's dishonest case for war, because they don't want to face the implications.

    After all, suppose that a politician — or a journalist — admits to himself that Mr. Bush bamboozled the nation into war. Well, launching a war on false pretenses is, to say the least, a breach of trust. So if you admit to yourself that such a thing happened, you have a moral obligation to demand accountability — and to do so in the face not only of a powerful, ruthless political machine but in the face of a country not yet ready to believe that its leaders have exploited 9/11 for political gain. It's a scary prospect.

    Yet if we can't find people willing to take the risk — to face the truth and act on it — what will happen to our democracy?
     
    #292     Jun 24, 2003
  3. State Department and White House sources tell TIME the U.S. has lodged complaints that Paris is turning a blind eye to fund raising in France by front organizations for Hamas, the terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for most of the recent wave of suicide attacks. The U.S. also claims France is blocking European Union efforts to restrict these front groups elsewhere. "There's a lot of intelligence to suggest that the French have become increasingly a conduit for funds to Hamas and that they're just not taking the steps that are necessary," says a State official. Some Administration hard-liners suspect the French of positioning themselves to influence the Arab-Israeli peace process by leveraging Hamas' European funding.

    Hmmmmm?
     
    #293     Jun 24, 2003
  4. That pretty much gives us the green light to invade France to oust Chirac, doesn't it?
     
    #294     Jun 24, 2003
  5. I don't know, that would obviously be a "war to steal their wine" issue and I think the California vintners would lobby against it.
     
    #295     Jun 24, 2003
  6. Naw, too easy. Probably better to lower our dollar and reverse our trade balance with them.
     
    #296     Jun 24, 2003
  7. Could one of you intelligent traders please explain what a LEGAL war is? Do you get a permit down at motor vehicle? If so how much is it? I know you need to get a permit to demonstrate and to get married...I think it;s great that they are now adding this extra bureaucratic step to war.
     
    #297     Jun 24, 2003
  8. They are all illegal, according to the liberals.
     
    #298     Jun 24, 2003
  9. I hear it's a stiff $75.00 fine, too, though I'm not sure whether it affects your insurance or your credit rating. Just to be on the safe side, if you're thinking of buying a house, I wouldn't start a war.
     
    #299     Jun 24, 2003
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    #300     Jun 24, 2003